I just saw Michael Moore's movie

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SERGEANTX

Sunday, July 1, 2007 2:51 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
If companies were freely allowed to bend their rules I can see it resulting in massive fraud. The decision-maker would literally have life and death power over the supplicants...

That's essentially the way it is now. And that exists because of laws that make it illegal for patients to seek out alternatives. The medical industry has more than freedom - they have a government supported cartel that controls the basic necessities of health care. They're holding us hostage now and they're doing it with the a regulatory framework naively intended to protect people.

I know it's counter-intuitive to strip regulation away from an industry that's proven itself unscrupulous. But if you look at the way it really works, if you look at the way the regulations makes them more money, at the way they limit viable, cheaper alternatives, if you look at the way they punish the very people they are intended to protect, it starts to make a lot of sense.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

RUE

Sunday, July 1, 2007 2:57 PM

Why not let the government provide an alternative as well? It's more efficient.

And while I have nothing against 'alternatives' - sometimes nothing works as well as a trauma surgeon or other equally traditional medical area.

Anyway, I'm almost out the door. I just have a few things to finish up. Plus I imagine your family is ready for you to get off the computer and have a holiday weekend. So - have a good one !

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SERGEANTX

Sunday, July 1, 2007 3:18 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
..I imagine your family is ready for you to get off the computer and have a holiday weekend. So - have a good one !

Actually, I'm all by myself this weekend. We're getting together on the fourth to reminisce

See ya.

Sergeant

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

CANTTAKESKY

Sunday, July 1, 2007 5:45 PM

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Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:
His points about the failures of american care are valid, but he then directs you in the wrong direction for a solution. The real answer lies in tort reform.....not social medicine.

Well, I gotta chip in my two cents too. The real answer lies in not in tort reform or socialized medicine. IMHO, it lies in deregulation of all medical and health care altogether. That is, let people choose what kind of treatment they want and whomever they want it from, and let providers compete for customers. You'll see prices going down, and the need for insurance to cover exorbitant costs will take care of itself.

This year, we have actually elected NOT to buy health insurance even though we have access to it. All the health care we routinely use is not covered by insurance (homeopathy, naturopathy, homebirth midwives, etc). The few times we do need to go to the ER or use conventional services add up to be less than our insurance premiums, deductibles and co-pays. When you don't buy into the conventional medical paradigm as the end-all-and-be-all of health care, it is an overpriced piece of junk that no one should have to be FORCED to subsidize.

We have a health consultant we pay $60 a month to (per person in the family). For this amount, we have prompt and caring attention for any health problem that comes up, from chronic symptoms to a weekend flu. In our family, this comes to half of our monthly insurance premiums, and we never have to see an MD anymore for prescriptions. The only time we need an MD is for diagnostic technology (e.g. x-rays) or skilled services (e.g. stitches). Almost everything else, you can do it yourself.

In the past, we've always had health insurance just in case we get into a freak car accident and have to have our severed limbs reattached or something. Our premiums are a lot to pay for such statistical anomalies. We'd have been better off if we had saved all our premium payments over the years in a savings account. By the time something catastrophic like that happens, if it ever happens, we'd have the money saved up for it.

So in summary, the desperate NEED for health care and health care insurance is artificially created by the industry. People buy into this artificial dependence on a product line with inflated prices because they either are ignorant of alternatives, choose not to explore alternatives, or cannot access alternatives. The solution, in my view, is to break this dependence on conventional health care products/services--or change laws to make alternatives more accessible. Breaking up a monopoly is always better for the consumer.

Well, that is just my perspective and my choice.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

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MALBADINLATIN

Monday, July 2, 2007 7:20 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
What you're saying is that under the rules it wrote the company shouldn't pay for necessary care.

No, I'm saying that under the rules YOUR EMPLOYER wrote we should pay for necessary care sometimes, and sometimes not. We don't make up the rules about coverage, your employer does. The hospital should not be turning anyone down in need of necessary care because they don't have insurance.

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And while it's laudable the company bends the rules for a few, have you considered what happens to the many people for whom the rules aren't bent?

We have a budget built in to help people who don't have eligibility, we have this because we're NOT FOR PROFIT. If we were FOR PROFIT, we would have to give that money to shareholders, instead we give what we do have to people in need

If you're not on Malbadinlatin's side, you're with the terrorists.

MALBADINLATIN

Monday, July 2, 2007 10:20 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I'd have to care about your opinion first.

Sorry about the leg Frem...but you should be beating the life out of the people at the hospital that let you lie there.
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Until you've been there, shut the fuck up.

Having a shitty thing like that happen to you doesn't make you an expert on the medical industry, or how to fix it.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, July 3, 2007 6:42 AM

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F the Government, F the medical community, and above all, F Michael Moore.

So tell me 6ix, ummm... how do you REALLY feel?

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JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, July 3, 2007 12:47 PM

Joseph Goebbels is in his 62nd year suffering & agonizing in eternal burning Hell. His only solace is knowing that this fool Moore is carrying on his proud legacy of propaganda promulgation to the masses of asses.

PIRATENEWS

Tuesday, July 3, 2007 7:58 PM

The problem with Moore, who is an elected Jewish politician (county school board), his SICKO apparently censors key stats on sicko USA.

Pentagon and Veterans Administration already run socialized medicine, with disastrous results. I've been waiting over 10 years for my appointment with a VA doctor, most of whom are foreign aliens (ie Pakistan home of USAma Bin Laden).

100,000 dead US Gulf War troops so far in the 17-year non-stop Iraq War, plus 600,000 disabled US Gulf War troops so far, most trying to live on $100/month "disability insurance", such as my wife. My wife's VA retirement/disability pension was stolen by White House and Congress, as perped against 95% of all retired disabled military veterans.
www.traprockpeace.org

ALL "vaccination" medical records for Gulf War #1 troops were "lost" in the OK City "domestic terror" bombing by active-duty Gulf War SGT Tim McVeigh (actual murders perped by ATF, FBI & CIA planting bombs inside the federal building). US GW "vaccines" were sabotaged with patented bioweapons, perfected by Uncle Scam in US prisons.
www.gulfwarvets.com

After overpaying into Social Security for a total of 120 years (with no way for refund of overpayment unlike IRS 1040), my Social Security Disability "Insurance" pension has been stolen for over 10 years by Gangsta Govt, because SS NEVER uses medical records signed by doctors to determine disability claims.

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"Finding the Russian scientists may be a problem being that Russia does not have a Social Security System, as here in America, that allows us to MONITOR, TRACK DOWN and CAPTURE an American citizen."
-General Colin Powell, chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff at Pentagon, US Secretary of State, Fox News, 06/17/01
www.rense.com/general77/colin.htm

My wife and I are both disabled, and forever BANNED from getting ANY type of medical insurance, for "pre-existing conditions". When we lost our civilian medical insurance coverage, we got socialized govt insurance (TennCare), which covered almost nothing so doctors REFUSED to perform prescribed lab tests, then TennCare cancelled us.

TennCare heart-transplant doctor CanniBill Frist was convicted of TennCare/Medicare FRAUD, his employees sent to prison, and he paid an $840-MILLION fine to Uncle Scam, then Dr Frist was selected to US Sentate, and promoted to Speaker of the Senate in his freshman term. To do a heart transplant for $1-million, it's required to murder a living person and steal their beating heart. Honest doctors warn: DON'T sign your organ donor card...

Medical doctors are the leading cause of death in USA, with over 1-Million murders per year, not counting the 1.5-Million aborticieds per year. Socialized medicine would drastically increase this genocide.

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The most stunning statistic, however, is that the total number of deaths caused by conventional medicine is an astounding 783,936 per year. Using Leape's 1997 medical and drug error rate would add another 216,000 deaths, for a total of 999,936 deaths annually. It is now evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the US."
—Gary Null, PhD; Carolyn Dean MD, ND; Martin Feldman, MD; Debora Rasio, MD; Dorothy Smith, PhD, Life Extension Magazine, "Death by Medicine", March 2004
www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_01.htm

Moore and Jewish Disney profited $200-million from F911. Sicko is also playing to sold-out theaters, thanks to billion$ in free advertising by the Jr Bush White House, who are thankful Moore is not publicly saying Bush perped the 9/11 Massacres.
www.rense.com/general77/sicko.htm
www.michaelmoore.com/sicko/pressroom

Socialized medicine will ban all vitamins without a dr's prescription, and all vitimins will be diluted to ineffectiveness, thanks to lobbying by the narco cartel.
www.newswithviews.com/Richards/byron36.htm

And think how wonderful socialied medicine will be with .500 BILLION illegal aliens in USA, which is the confessed goal of Congress and White House last week...

http://rense.com/1.imagesH/

FLETCH2

Tuesday, July 3, 2007 9:53 PM

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Originally posted by piratenews:
The problem with Moore, who is an elected Jewish politician (county school board), his SICKO apparently censors key stats on sicko USA.

Pentagon and Veterans Administration already run socialized medicine, with disastrous results. I've been waiting over 10 years for my appointment with a VA doctor, most of whom are foreign aliens (ie Pakistan home of USAma Bin Laden).

In their defence PN I suspect they probably need that long to aquaint the mental care specialist with all your delusions.

Would you actually want to see an American doctor? I mean they're all Jewish aren't they?

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