I just saw Michael Moore's movie

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:21 AM

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
...but how many Americans come North to be able to afford the medications they need to survive...

I believe the cause of the answer to your question would be because it is illegal. If it weren't Americans would be more than happy to purchase their happy pills online from Canada and Canadian companies would be more than happy to oblige.

That's what I did with cigarettes myself when they started pushing the unconstitutional tax raises on cigarettes here in America. I bought them from Russia and American Indian Reservations for three years. Fuck them. I'll buy my smokes from Putin before paying those smoke Nazis any more money if at all possible. I was getting the cigarettes for 1/3 the price and that included shipping half way around the world to boot. That is, until VISA and Mastercard began the "Anti-Tobacco Initiative" which lasted long enough to keep us from purchasing our smokes online until the Government managed to shut down all online avenues of foreign competition and force Indian Reservation shops here to fully disclose all information of people buying smokes online to avoid the tax. Funny how we can buy smokes again online, now that there's no way for us to do it without avoiding paying the taxes in our area. Where is Visa and Mastercard's benevolent "Anti-Tobacco Initiative" now? I'm sad now.... for a moment there I really thought VISA and Mastercard cared about my health.

Funny how they can shut down pathways for people to avoid cigarette taxes by purchasing from foreign lands, but they haven't figured out a way to eliminate underage porn which has proliferated in the last 10 years, isn't it? They always use the excuse that the offending sites are from foreign countries, don't they?

My ass....

The Truth is, if child pornography wasn't such a huge cash-cow for our Government, and if fighting it didn't employ so many Government workers on our dime, they would have shut it down a long time ago. They don't give a rat's ass about children's safety either, and the people that are caught and put on TV are simply offered up as sacrificial lambs... akin to the occasional televised drug bust on TV that keeps justifying another giant and brilliantly orchestrated cash-cow, the "War" on Drugs.

The War on Drugs, Medical price gouging, The War on Child Pornograpy, The War on Cigarettes (Cancer).... very much like the War on Terror will NEVER end. They're designed by the archetects to have an infinite shelf life. If any one of these things were to magically dissappear tomorrow, it would likely leave our country, and in turn the world, spiraling out of control economically.

Screw those commercials you see on TV, and screw Michael Moore. THAT'S your daily dose of the TRUTH.

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BABYWITHTHEPOWER

Saturday, June 30, 2007 8:16 AM

You don't need a D-Bag like Moore to tell you the medical field is fd eight ways from sunday. The fact that any illegal asshole can go in and get treated without question (or insurance for that matter) and my friends father-in-law suffers irreparable brain damage from a stroke because his insurance won't cover the operation and the hospital he was at refused to transfer him because they were afraid of getting sued is proof.

Michael Moore decries the very system that has made him a 'success' and put his fat ass on every TV and name in every mind, of America. There's no escaping him. There's no turning him off because there's always some sucker, some sheep, that hops right on the Moore bandwagon and throws his garbage right back in our faces.

He's not a hero. He's not even a documentarian. He's a media whore who will slant any image, edit any interview, and walk over anyone he has to in order to present the picture he wants the world to see. The only people worse than Michael Moore are the peaple that blindly eat the shitt he's feeding them.

Ragardless. Love him or hate him, Michael Moore has eaten a lot of Twinkies.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:05 AM

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Ragardless. Love him or hate him, Michael Moore has eaten a lot of Twinkies.

Ahhhhhh..... the senseless destruction of a National Icon. And I mean Twinkie the Kid. Sorry Twinkie! We love you and your delicious creamy filling. Even if every Twinkie that has been eaten in the last 30 or so years was made in 1973.

(HEHE.... thanks bro, for your artistic abilities and bringing this unexpressable image in my mind to life. I'm really dumb at computer art.)

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THEDARKNESS

Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:16 AM

That right there is probably the best picture I have seen of Michael Moore. The Twinkie always makes the sacrifice for the greater good!

BABYWITHTHEPOWER

Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/06/28/sicko.fact.check/index.html

we found surprisingly few inaccuracies in the film

... if Americans are paying so much and they're not getting as good or as much care, where is all the money going? "Overhead for most private health insurance plans range between 10 percent to 30 percent," says Deloitte health-care analyst Paul Keckley. Overhead includes profit and administrative costs.

"Compare that to Medicare, which only has an overhead rate of 1 percent. Medicare is an extremely efficient health-care delivery system

Analysis: 'Sicko' numbers mostly accurate; more context needed

It's really no surprise to me, or anyone whose ever read your posts I'd wager, that your selected bullet quotes only display a fraction of what the author was saying. You should think about working with Moore, you've got his nack for slanting the truth.

How about throwing out these little nuggets so that those just skimming get the whole picture?

Not surprisingly, it's not that simple. In most other countries, there are quotas and planned waiting times. Everyone does have access to basic levels of care. That care plan is formulated by teams of government physicians and officials who determine what's to be included in the universal basic coverage and how a specific condition is treated. If you want treatment outside of that standard plan, then you have to pay for it yourself.

Can you imagine what our government physicians would formulate to fall under the universal basic coverage? Very little I'd wager. So now we have to pay an additional tax for a limited system that we're going to have to have supplimental insurance to make up for all its inadequacies. Thanks, but no thanks.

Or this gem:

"Sicko" also ignores a handful of good things about the American system. Believe it or not, the United States does rank highest in the patient satisfaction category. Americans do have shorter wait times than everyone but Germans when it comes to nonemergency elective surgery such as hip replacements, cataract removal or knee repair.

So, in light of all the problems Moore, and apparently you, think there are with the medical system, we're still the nation that's the happiest with our treatment. Interesting. See, it's facts like this that are ignored when you want to make something 'evil'. It's hard to crucify a system that has the highest satisfaction percentage in the world.

My brother suffered a brain hemorrhage when he was six years old. He spent months in a coma and survived by the grace of God and the skin of his teeth. His brain surgery, six month hospital stay, and the years of physical therapy would have bankrupted my parents, as procedures that extensive would not be covered by this system. Then four years later he suffered a second hemmohage and we got to go through it again. Tens of millions of dollars in surgury and care that saved my brother's life was paid for by the system that you're complaining about.

It needs work, but not a reboot. And tons-of-fun is not going to be the Messiah that ushers in the new era. Listening to that fat f*ck (who PETA even condemns for his size http://www.lime.com/node/13782 ) talk about healthcare is like listening to a three fingered man talk about table saw safety.

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SIGMANUNKI

Saturday, June 30, 2007 4:27 PM

@BabyWithThePower:

You're aware that the German system is basically socialized health care, right?

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BABYWITHTHEPOWER

Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:20 PM

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
[B]@BabyWithThePower:

You're aware that the German system is basically socialized health care, right?

I do, and having lived there for two years I can attest that even though they might have shorter average wait times than the average patient in America, their hospitals blow and their customer service sucks.

I'll wait a few extra minutes for a higher quality of service.

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RUE

Sunday, July 1, 2007 12:45 PM

"I personally see Customer Service Reps doing anything they can to find lupeholds in plans to authorize that Cemo for the crying elderly member. Hell the medical insurance company I work for even technically commits insurance fraud all the time to grant early services to hardship cases."

What you're saying is that under the rules it wrote the company shouldn't pay for necessary care. And while it's laudable the company bends the rules for a few, have you considered what happens to the many people for whom the rules aren't bent?

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SERGEANTX

Sunday, July 1, 2007 1:06 PM

Legalize it...

SergeantX

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RUE

Sunday, July 1, 2007 1:08 PM

SergeantX

The problem is not the illegality per se, it's that the companies hold people's lives hostage to their profits.

added: If companies were freely allowed to bend their rules I can see it resulting in massive fraud. The decision-maker would literally have life and death power over the supplicants - like Idi Amin. What would YOU be willing to pay or do to keep yourself or someone in your family alive?

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