Why Firefly is not good Science Fiction

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ODDSBODSKINS

Thursday, June 28, 2007 5:08 PM

But I'm not tall enough to pi$$ on a horse...

They may think their sins are original, but for the most part they are petty and repetitive.

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Thursday, June 28, 2007 5:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Oddsbodskins:
But I'm not tall enough to pi$$ on a horse...

They may think their sins are original, but for the most part they are petty and repetitive.

Just pi&& on its legs silly!

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CHRISMOORHEAD

Thursday, June 28, 2007 5:39 PM

HA! And I thought I was prudish...

Y'know when I saw Chronicles of Riddick, I ignored what I thought was a heavily anti-Christian undertone in the movie and just accepted it as a cock-rocker action flick set in a very Dune-ish type of Universe. And that made me fine with it.

Who in the hell harps on things like 'not showing the negative side of homosexuality'? That's just being beligerant in my opinion, like asking why they don't spend 5 minutes an episode to show the gruesome death of the cow being eaten as a hamburger in scene 5. What about the cow, huh? What about the poor, helpless cow?

Letting personal beleifs get in the way of good entertainment is stupid. I loved Bowling for Columbine, even though I really DO loves ma gun.

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XARDOZ

Thursday, June 28, 2007 6:02 PM

This is the same kind of crap that that "feminist" writer who trashed FF and Joss recently pulled - glomming onto a piece of pop-culture (and a damned excellent one at that) and trashing it to promote their own agenda. Or the Amazon.com reviewers who think it's all neo-Confederate propaganda.

So both the activist Left and the reactionary Right think FF sucks. Humorless, imagination-less twits the lot of them.

them.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Thursday, June 28, 2007 6:47 PM

So if I'm reading this right:
1 He didn't like the fact that sex was the only way love was shown even though it wasn't.
2 He didn't like the way FTL, which they don't have, isn't explained. (Imagine, for a moment, a show that did explain everything not in it.)
3 He didn't like how, when people were in normal space, they *gasp* acted as if they were in normal space.
4 He didn't like the lack of alien flora and fauna in a place that was meant to be as close to earth (which lacks all things alien) as possible.
5 He didn't like the fact that there were no problems with the teraforming, in spite of the fact there were, as mentioned in the second episode and the movie.
6 He didn't like the whole teraforming thing, and most of all that they didn't talk about it all the time.
7 Not enough religion, it is strangely lacking.
8 Book said something that ... Book didn't actually say. Instead Book should have said ... more or less what Book really said. (That faith doesn't need fixing or, in the blogger's words, "from the believer's point of view, it does make sense!")
9 The only possible interpretation is Joss' intended interpretation (Bad, bad Joss) because it was made in such a way you can not draw your own conclusions. Which means, since there is only one possible interpretation, that the blogger has the real truth and we're just ... I don't know, illusions or something.
10 When good sci fi wants to do what he just said good sci fi doesn't do (is internal consistency too much to ask for?) it does it in a more subtle and devious way.
11 The recap includes things that he didn't cover in the larger article including "preachiness (for gay rights and for a "naturalistic" worldview[)]" which isn't actually in the series.
12 He can't spell the word, "Made." (I have nothing against that mind you, I screw up at time too.)

Is that everything?

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, June 28, 2007 6:53 PM

Firefly IS science fiction period!

It's really one of the very few sci-fi things out there that even remotely resembles science fiction....shit, changing hairstyles 24 times in a movie, and speaking lines like you got a big dildo up yer butt ( Star Wars) dont make no science fiction.....plasma inducers & warp nacells dont make no science fiction.....PEOPLE make science fiction...people in situations like Joss put them in is science fiction. Now shooting a fed in the face is a very liberal thing?...not! And a preacher who shoots bad guys kneecaps is a conservative thing?...not? Firefly transcends all that Earthly bullshit...it is PURE sci-fi.

XARDOZ

Thursday, June 28, 2007 6:53 PM

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Originally posted by christhecynic:
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Is that everything?

You forgot to

him at the end.

Although, his own post pretty does that for us.

NEMEWEH

Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:09 PM

For my first post ever -

A look into the history of SciFi will find such writers as Robert A. Heinlein, oft called the Dean of Science Fiction. He routinely set about destroying the ideas held at the time of moral standards about religion, sex and politics. Especially later in life, he turned the literary world on it's head with such books as Stranger in a Strange Land, and Friday.

IMHO - Joss Whedon has taken the feminine ideal in Friday and run with it. So to say, that Whedon has somehow attempted to crush the "conservative values" of some hypothetical "moral majority" is utter horsepatooey. I'd use stronger language, but I'm not sure it's allowed here.

Irregardless, as a SciFi lover, Whedon has continued a long line of great SciFi writers who looked ahead to the future and made predictions of social change. While some may view such change and be frightened by it, I for one, am excited by the possibility.

So I hope he joins the ranks of Heinlein, Bradbury and Roddenberry.

REGINAROADIE

Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:25 PM

guys is obviously speaking out of his ass and has no idea what he's talking about.

But what's this "feminist" article bashing FF and Joss. That must have slipped through the cracks, because I don't remember that being posted anywhere.

Mind pointing me in the right direction?

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XARDOZ

Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:35 PM

There's a post on it over at NewsOfTheVerse.net called "Tis a pity she's a wh0re" (have to misspell it to get past the work profanity filter)

Because of said overzealous filter, I can't give you a direct link to the NotV post or the actual article.

Admittedly, it could be my misinterpreting her, but it seems to read that FF and Serenity suck because they aren't feminist enough and Joss Whedon is (biggest sin of all) a white male heterosexual.

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