I just saw Michael Moore's movie

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MALBADINLATIN

Monday, June 25, 2007 11:25 PM

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Wow...a few of Bin Ladin's sisters were hotties!

Also...I thought this thread was about Michael Moore's new movie???...I mean...like the Medical profession....hello.....here I am a professional Medical Insurance Fraud Investigator! I'm all dressed up and ready to dance, but I'm just sitting here on the sidelines....Oh God! This happened to me in middle school one time....

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BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN

Friday, June 29, 2007 8:57 PM

I will not pay to see moore's propaganda. I, like many others I know, will be buying a ticket to the new die hard movie and then sneak into sicko. Basically, I need to see the film to be informed but I totally refuse to support moore's horsesqueeze.

Sociallized medical care is no answer. If you live in canada, you must wait and wait and wait for care. And for those ppl in canada who have $$$ guess where they go for care? That's right...the USA. So ask yourselves why rich canadians wouldn't stay in their country for their "superior" health care system.

Moore is manipulating you. His points about the failures of american care are valid, but he then directs you in the wrong direction for a solution. The real answer lies in tort reform.....not social medicine.

Do not fear me. Our's is a peaceful race and we must live in harmony.

MALBADINLATIN

Friday, June 29, 2007 10:16 PM

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Do not fear me. Our's is a peaceful race and we must live in harmony.

Since I posted last I saw Michael Moore on The Daily Show and I'm so damaged it's not even funny. I always admired Jon Stewart AND Michael Moore. But when I heard them making accustations of profiteering and deliberate denials of claims just to make more money for stockholders is BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. I personally see Customer Service Reps doing anything they can to find lupeholds in plans to authorize that Cemo for the crying elderly member. Hell the medical insurance company I work for even technically commits insurance fraud all the time to grant early services to hardship cases. We were in Louisianna with mobile treatment centers long before Bush swaggered by for the cameras

The way that asshole put it was "Dr's have to call someone 1000 miles away in a cubicle to get permission to treat a patient" Thats bullshit! What they're really doing is calling someone to find out how much is covered by insurance. They can treat the patient all day if they want it just may not be covered by insurance. Insurance coverage is established by the EMPLOYER who provides the coverage for thier employees. LISTEN CAREFULLY!!!:Whether it's for your house, car, flood, tornado, or medical...Insurance has limits, no policy of any kind pays for everything no matter what it is. Medical insurance is not a right!!!!!It's something you're lucky to have because your employers have to give it to you to remain competitive when they are recruiting employees. There is no way to explain how dissapointed I am in Michael Moore. Now I wonder how much of Farenheit 911, and Bowling For Columbine were absolute bullshit

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FREMDFIRMA

Friday, June 29, 2007 11:32 PM

You know, i'd beat you half you death with the prosthetic leg I wound up with courtesy of exactly the things you're saying don't happen here, but yanno, I'd have to care about your opinion first.

Take it from someone who survived attempted murder via denial of care, and had Judge Roland Vaughn (may he rest in peace) kick their asses all over the courtroom while he lie there hours from death, with virulent infections and delerium on a stretcher as they tried to claim I was fine...

Until you've been there, shut the fuck up.

That bein said - Moore is an idiot, and an asshole, and went after the wrong providers while making a lot of jackass assumptions, he'd have done better shredding an HMO like TotalHealthCare where that shit is so blatant that they make it official policy and hand out plastic coated "cheat sheets" on what care is to be denied at all costs.

I ain't payin money to learn something I coulda toldja eight years ago.

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RUE

Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:57 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/06/28/sicko.fact.check/index.html

we found surprisingly few inaccuracies in the film

... if Americans are paying so much and they're not getting as good or as much care, where is all the money going? "Overhead for most private health insurance plans range between 10 percent to 30 percent," says Deloitte health-care analyst Paul Keckley. Overhead includes profit and administrative costs.

"Compare that to Medicare, which only has an overhead rate of 1 percent. Medicare is an extremely efficient health-care delivery system

Analysis: 'Sicko' numbers mostly accurate; more context needed

By A. Chris Gajilan
CNN

(CNN) -- Michael Moore's "Sicko," which opened nationwide Friday, is filled with horror stories of people who are deprived of medical service because they can't afford it or haven't been able to navigate the murky waters of managed care in the United States.

It compares American health care with the universal coverage systems in Canada, France, the United Kingdom and Cuba.

Moore covers a lot of ground. Our team investigated some of the claims put forth in his film. We found that his numbers were mostly right, but his arguments could use a little more context. As we dug deep to uncover the numbers, we found surprisingly few inaccuracies in the film. In fact, most pundits or health-care experts we spoke to spent more time on errors of omission rather than disputing the actual claims in the film.

Whether it's dollars spent, group coverage or Medicaid income cutoffs, health care goes hand in hand with numbers. Moore opens his film by giving these statistics, "Fifty million uninsured Americans ... 18,000 people die because they are uninsured."

For the most part, that's true. The latest numbers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention say 43.6 million, or about 15 percent of Americans, were uninsured in 2006. For the past five years, the overall count has fluctuated between 41 million and 44 million people. According to the Institute of Medicine, 18,000 people do die each year mainly because they are less likely to receive screening and preventive care for chronic diseases.

Moore says that the U.S. spends more of its gross domestic product on health care than any other country.

Again, that's true. The United States spends more than 15 percent of its GDP on health care -- no other nation even comes close to that number. France spends about 11 percent, and Canadians spend 10 percent.

Like Moore, we also found that more money does not equal better care. Both the French and Canadian systems rank in the Top 10 of the world's best health-care systems, according to the World Health Organization. The United States comes in at No. 37. The rankings are based on general health of the population, access, patient satisfaction and how the care's paid for.

So, if Americans are paying so much and they're not getting as good or as much care, where is all the money going? "Overhead for most private health insurance plans range between 10 percent to 30 percent," says Deloitte health-care analyst Paul Keckley. Overhead includes profit and administrative costs.

"Compare that to Medicare, which only has an overhead rate of 1 percent. Medicare is an extremely efficient health-care delivery system," says Mark Meaney, a health-care ethicist for the National Institute for Patient Rights.

Moore spends about half his film detailing the wonders and the benefits of the government-funded universal health-care systems in Canada, France, Cuba and the United Kingdom. He shows calm, content people in waiting rooms and people getting care in hospitals hassle free. People laugh and smile as he asks about billing departments and cost of stay.

Not surprisingly, it's not that simple. In most other countries, there are quotas and planned waiting times. Everyone does have access to basic levels of care. That care plan is formulated by teams of government physicians and officials who determine what's to b

RUE

Saturday, June 30, 2007 3:16 AM

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http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/06/28/sicko.fact.check/index.html

we found surprisingly few inaccuracies in the film

... if Americans are paying so much and they're not getting as good or as much care, where is all the money going? "Overhead for most private health insurance plans range between 10 percent to 30 percent," says Deloitte health-care analyst Paul Keckley. Overhead includes profit and administrative costs.

"Compare that to Medicare, which only has an overhead rate of 1 percent. Medicare is an extremely efficient health-care delivery system

Analysis: 'Sicko' numbers mostly accurate; more context needed

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:15 AM

The only thing I hate more than a Repug and the Administration is a Demoncrat Communist.

Michael Moore is a fat Communist fuck who's milking Capitalism at the same time by playing to the idiot masses as some holy crusaider. I know that fat manipulative fuck isn't going to have any problem paying for his quadruple bypass surgery we'll be hearing about in a few years.

Maybe I'll make a documentary about that when the time comes.

EDIT: If it's at all possible Succatash, don't take this as a personal attack. Don't recall we've ever spoken before. I rant and I'm very loud about it. I'm going to download it off Pirate Bay this weekend and give it a look. He's not getting a dime from me though.

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SIGMANUNKI

Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:16 AM

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Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:

Sociallized medical care is no answer. If you live in canada, you must wait and wait and wait for care. And for those ppl in canada who have $$$ guess where they go for care? That's right...the USA. So ask yourselves why rich canadians wouldn't stay in their country for their "superior" health care system.

LOL. No-one is saying that socialized health care is better per se. It's just better for people in general. Of course if you got the money then a privatized system is better... but only for you. Everyone else gets the shaft. The point is that this 'everyone else' is pretty much the entire population. Have you seen the issues with how many people in the US just don't have health care or have an HMO (which is almost the same depending on the plan)?

You see, this is the problem. Socialized health-care requires a sense of community on a national level. This just isn't something that I see in the US given your extreme divide on pretty much every topic. Well, that and that whole disturbingly capitalist thing. etc. So, of course you guys (in general) just don't see the benefits/need.

Basically, if it doesn't work for you, then fine, don't do it. But, it DOES work for others regardless of what cooked stats you've seen (if you've even looked and aren't just going on pure opinion). And please look beyond Canada on this one as well, as there are other countries that have socialized health care and it's just dandy. In fact, other countries have implemented socialized health care better than us!

I for one am *very* happy that when my grandma broke her hip, shortly thereafter her leg and then had to go to a home that my Dad and my Uncle didn't have to mortgage there homes to get her the care she needed. Because just giving people pain meds to make them comfortable while they die of sepsis or otherwise denying care because they don't have the money is fucking barbaric.

Oh, and btw, people who need critical care, get it quite quickly. It's those that can wait that typically have to. And even then you're going to have to point out for what. Because different things have drastically different wait times i.e. don't make gross generalizations for that in which you know nothing about.

At any rate, that's my 2 cents on the subject. But, by the time I can get back to this, there'll probably be *way* too much for me to catch up on. So, fire away. I probably won't have time to respond.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:25 AM

Bottom line Sigmanuki, there are a lot of people who have good jobs who are none too happy about this. I've never hid my loathing for any government intrusion in anything, and controlling the way our healthcare is, is just about as invasive as you can get.

Do I think the medical community and insurance providers need a HUGE bitch slap? Sure I do. They're all corrupt and far too powerful themselves. That is what our Government is supposed to do. They are our servants and they should kick somebody in the head when they get as far out of line as the entire medical community in America has. I sure as hell don't want Government running that show though.

Personally, I save money and I have decent health insurance. I hate doctors and I've never used my health insurance since I've been working here, so I pay the very minimum plan that my company requires me to. Where I work, the asshole Governor out here is proposing a plan for universal health care somebody in my bracket to shell out $140 a month. Forgive me for being very resentful of the Government for trying to make me pay these monsterous fees to pay for illegals and their children to have free healthcare.

I'd rather put that $140 a month into my retirement funds to help pay for my lung cancer treatments for smoking. The Government is already making me pay double for cigarettes than I was 5 years ago and it's set to be almost triple by 2010. Supposedly, this is for my benefit, but I enjoy smoking and I dont' plan on quitting anytime soon. So who the hell are they to decide what is good for me. I know none of the rediculously exorbinant cigarette tax they're sticking to me is going to come back to help pay for my cancer when I'm 60 and need treatments, nor do I want any handouts from Them.

Sorry, Big Gov and Big Med are already intruding analy HARD for my decicison to enjoy smoking. I don't want the oral treatment at the same time for universal medical coverage. Thanks.

F the Government, F the medical community, and above all, F Michael Moore.

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GINOBIFFARONI

Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:27 AM

Rich Canadians sometimes go South for surgery, but how many Americans come North to be able to afford the medications they need to survive...

Both systems have flaws, the operative word being BOTH... I prefer the Canadian system as I do not believe in the power insurance company's have in the US.

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