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ARCADIA

Friday, June 22, 2007 5:00 PM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
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I don't think Simon and Kaylee are soulmates who would have fallen madly in love, gotten married, and stayed together (until one of them died).

Me neither. I think Simon might have had it right in the message - there was no one else around who was the right age, intellegence, physical attractiveness... they are literally the only boy and girl in the world. It might be sweet for a while, but ultimately I doubt it would last. On a related note, sometimes Kaylee's oversensativeness just makes me want to slap her in the face. We get it. Simon doesn't alway word things well. But, jesus Kaylee, you know what he meant so stop running to Inara like an offended twelve year old. If its that big of a deal, talk about it. *sigh*

I think Inara was one of the most interesting and complex characters on the show, undoubtably my favorite. It seems to me that there is a tendency within the fan community to view her as someone who knows nothing about love, and once she can acknowledge she loves Mal then she will quit her job and they can go have babies omg! Doubt that would have ever happened. I doubt (and when I say doubt, I mean hope and pray) that she would ever quit her job, even for Mal. I think Inara genuinely likes her job. I think, for the most part, her clients are not like Atherton Wing, do not treat her like property or a whore. Because she isn't a whore, and thats what makes her so interesting. Well, one of the things.

I don't care so much what Book's secret was (though I assume it involved the alliance military in some way). I mean, its nice that he has it and can use it to keep Serenity from getting trapped in nets and taken advantage of my corrupt cops, but for me, the fact that he was a preacher on a ship of criminals made him interesting enough. I think the way they resolved things in the movie was great. Now, I'll never know what the secret is and thats fine with me.

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CHRISISALL

Friday, June 22, 2007 5:10 PM

My unpopular opinion is that Faux, in canceling Firefly, unwittingly made the supremely excellent motion picture Serenity, a possibility. And for that alone, I applaud their stupidity.

How's that? Chrisisall

PHOENIXROSE

Friday, June 22, 2007 5:17 PM

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Originally posted by Arcadia:
once she can acknowledge she loves Mal then she will quit her job and they can go have babies omg!

Yeah, that's just as unrealistic as having that fairy tale with Simon and Kaylee. Firefly isn't really a fairy tale kind of place. Wash and Zoe didn't have hundreds of fat children (and, Joss willing, never would have) because it would have been a mistake, both for the story and for keeping the show kind of gritty and real. For the same reasons, none of the other potential couples should have children either. Wash and Zoe had a real marriage with real issues and real concerns. It's a real show. You don't fall in love and get married and have babies (omg!) on a smuggling ship. Wash was right, it isn't smart. The odds of even non-combatant little Kaylee getting thrown around and having a miscarriage is kinda high. And if the pregnancy did go smooth, the odds the newborn being in danger would also be high. And once the kid started crawling around with all the sharp metal and steep drops in the ship? Lord, any parents would be in a constant state of panic trying to raise a child that way, and unable to focus on their jobs aboard the ship.
Anyway, got off the subject there. Yes, I think Inara liked her job, liked the status and power and money and lovers and being learned, and that she wouldn't give it up to be essentially a kept woman. I mean she got her hands dirty a couple times, but she's not a criminal; she's just not really built for it. She can fire a little gun or bolt thrower (bow and arrow originally) but in constant combat I don't think she could hold her own. And she's smart, but she's not criminally minded, and every scam she ran hinged on her being a Companion (or seeming non-threatening, in Trash) so what would happen if she wasn't one anymore? Or couldn't seem non-threatening? It just wouldn't be that feasible.
Well, I'm kind of ranting, so I should go do something else for a bit.

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ORPHEUS

Friday, June 22, 2007 5:52 PM

My unpopular opinion? You really want it? Alright...

My unpopular opinion: The BDM has too many jokes. It's too funny. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the humor (most of it anyway), but the first half of the film feels like they're trying to shoehorn as much of the show's humor as possible. From the time we meet Mal to the moment Simon starts arguing with him, it's quip-joke-quip-quip-turbulence-gag-joke-Simon. It's always felt like too much to me. I get that Joss had to draw in newcomers and satiate fans at the same time, but I think he overdid the humor.

As much as I hate to say it, the movie doesn't really become "Serenity" to me until Book shuffles loose the mortal coil. Until then, it was just "Firefly: The Movie".

Start the thrashing now.

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THESOMNAMBULIST

Friday, June 22, 2007 6:05 PM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Some people never get out of that phase, but it's considered to be very immature. Mal and Inara can show a great deal of maturity... when they aren't dealing with each other. So I guess that's what annoys me.

Maybe it is the romantic in me (for which I've payed the price I must admit) but I kind of regard the awkwardness that happens to two people when they fall in love as just part of the whole endeavour. Some become gibbering idiots (Somnambulist take a bow) others employ cool calculating predatory charges, many fall silent and succumb to feverish poetry, and others just become so confussed they argue with each other etc....

Mal and Inara I like to think, though both tough and perceptive are not entirely immune to the very human frailties, such as love.

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THESOMNAMBULIST

Friday, June 22, 2007 6:05 PM

Oops double post!

Must do the double post dance: a slide to the left a slide to the right, followed by a moonwalk off stage... tarah!

GORRAMSPACETRASH

Friday, June 22, 2007 6:09 PM

A small quibble, but I really think there's a tendacy to react slightly over-the-top to some of the developments in fan fiction (such as River\Jayne, or Mal\Zoe maybe) - and particularly if the characters can develop to a degree far removed from the series and movie. If your familiar with Joss' writing in Buffy or Angel, you'd be aware that some, (though not all), of his characters tend to become so far removed from their original conceptualization over the years after a multi-season series.

-- Gerry Shannon

PHOENIXROSE

Friday, June 22, 2007 6:17 PM

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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Some become gibbering idiots (Somnambulist take a bow) others employ cool calculating predatory charges, many fall silent and succumb to feverish poetry, and others just become so confussed they argue with each other etc....

And some smile, flirt, and say "Hey, I'm really liking you a lot."

What's so hard about that?

THESOMNAMBULIST

Saturday, June 23, 2007 12:15 AM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
And some smile, flirt, and say "Hey, I'm really liking you a lot."

What's so hard about that?

There is nothing hard about that. Nothing at all, and I won the heart of my main squeeze in just such a manner, only with more words, a lilt of desperation, buckets of sweat, a strange rhythm that eminated from my knocking knees and the requisite killer pair of shoes.

Thing is though for narrative interest on a show you have to deal more with the emotion behind it than the practical intent.

Of course you are absolutely right about the direct approach for real, I agree, but it doesn't translate as that interesting for TV.

Mal: Hey Inara, you look kinda cute in skirts.
Inara: Why Mal I had no idea you thought of me that way.
Mal: Oh wasn't thinking as such, more reacting. Mal like women.
Inara: Why Mal you make me blush. What of the crew they would surely object?
Mal: No, why? They knows we are meant to be together. Now where'd the Shepherd go? I believe it's time he pulled his weight around here and wed us already.

Cut to: Montage of Wedding.

Cut to: End Credits

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, June 23, 2007 1:16 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
My unpopular opinion is that Faux, in canceling Firefly, unwittingly made the supremely excellent motion picture Serenity, a possibility. And for that alone, I applaud their stupidity.

How's that? Chrisisall

LOL... I must humbly disagree with your assessment of the quality of the BDM.

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