Vegetarians Are Stupid!

POSTED BY: CrevanReaver
UPDATED: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 01:35
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RUE

Friday, June 8, 2007 8:25 AM

Well darn, I got rid of my textbooks on the subject a couple of years ago. (It was interesting to me so I studied it specifically.) What you'll find is that humans can't desaturate (double-bond) before the omega-9 position. That means humans will never be able to make an omega-3 from an omega-6 or an omega-9. However, you can saturate (single-bond) those positions.

The very general public nutrition information is full of easy-breezey broad-brush statements. For one thing they don't want people to try to go on an all omega-3 diet b/c it hasn't been studied and they don't want liability. (Indeed it wouldn't be possible b/c some omega-6s and omega-9s are found in any natural source).

But that kind of reference isn't a biochemical source.

CHRISISALL

Sunday, June 17, 2007 1:16 PM

I consume the ocassional dead tuna, but other than that I have eaten no meat since 1977. As a result, I have been consistantly plagued with un-natural flexability, a constant weight of 155lbs, and a somewhat lower than normal blood pressure.
I'd better get with the red-meat program...

Chrisisall, sporting needless incisors

OLDENGLANDDRY

Sunday, June 17, 2007 1:25 PM

Meat goooood, Veggies baaad.

CHRISISALL

Sunday, June 17, 2007 2:02 PM

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Originally posted by CrevanReaver:
That is not my opinion, that is prevailing scientific theory.

yada yada yada ya right like person could survive 55 years on just meat and water only sonisall

That' my boy Chrisisall

CRUITHNE3753

Sunday, June 17, 2007 3:07 PM

The Neanderthals had a diet that consisted mostly of meat. Not many of them around these days. Maybe they all died of bowel cancer and heart disease.

RUE

Sunday, June 17, 2007 4:31 PM

I know that was a joke. But actually it's a mystery. There are some who say modern humans killed Neanderthal humans off. Others say the Neanderthal humans were too well adapted to the ice age. Some say what kept modern humans going as compared to Neanderthal humans was dietary adaptability. Others say modern human specialization (between the sexes) allowed humans to outbreed Neanderthal humans.

Neanderthal humans did have burials and rites and big brains so they weren't stupid.
Given that they must have had some form of communication.

Some other strange facts: even in the short time since the 'ancient' Greeks modern human genetics has show some drift. For example, studies show that modern Olympic athletes could barely (if at all) keep up with Greek rowers who rowed the warships. Genetically many modern Africans and Polish people can operate at 80% max O2 uptake for hours ... but no one else. So perhaps (my question) the Greeks could row that way b/c they had that genetic characteristic, which was lost to most of humanity in the last few thousand years.

Current humans have smaller brains than fossil modern humans, and smaller teeth as well.

Others have noted that domesticated animals are different from their wild ancestors (generally weaker, more susceptible to disease, and not as smart), and that humans have self-domesticated.

Anyway, just some things I find interesting.

SIGNYM

Sunday, June 17, 2007 4:39 PM

The most common worldwide trace deficienies are vitamins A & D, and iodine. You will find these deficiencies in ANY inland area where salt is not iodized and food is not supplemented. Lack of iodine in the maternal and subsequent diet causes thyroid hormones to mis-fire, which causes brain damage in the developing child resulting in "cretinism".

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Endemic cretinism arises from a diet deficient in iodine and has affected far more people worldwide and continues to be a major public health problem in many countries. Iodine is an essential trace element, necessary primarily for the synthesis of thyroid hormones. Although it is found in many foods it is not universally present in all soils in adequate amounts. The soils of many inland areas on all continents are iodine deficient, and plants and animals grown there are correspondingly deficient*. Populations living in those areas without outside food sources are most at risk for iodine deficiency diseases.

*That is, deficient for human consumption. Most other animals get along fine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretinism

Interestingly, one of the unintended consequences of reducing salt is the re-emergence of iodine defiency in areas where it has not recently been a problem. Salt used in food processing is not required to be iodized, so when people cut out their "table salt" they're cutting out perhaps their ONLY source of iodine.
www.foodstandards.gov.au/_srcfiles/Issues%20Paper%20-%20Mandatory%20Fo
rtification%20with%20Iodine.doc

Our biochemical requirements very clearly point to a marine/ estuarine evolutionary history. I speculate that we evolved on frogs, little fish, bird eggs and shellfish on a seashore, where we conveniently learned how to use stones to crack shells. We eventually transfered those skills to scavenging bones and cracking them for marrow, which allowed us to transition from the litoral environment of the Afar Triangle http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/dynamic/East_Africa.html and the Great Rift Valley (which was a lake at the time) to an inland life.

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Always look upstream.

FREMDFIRMA

Monday, June 18, 2007 12:19 AM

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humans have self-domesticated.

THIS is civilization ?!! Thank Crom I am a barbarian!
-Conan, on first sight of Shadizar.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Monday, June 18, 2007 5:23 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I consume the ocassional dead tuna, but other than that I have eaten no meat since 1977. As a result, I have been consistantly plagued with un-natural flexability, a constant weight of 155lbs, and a somewhat lower than normal blood pressure.
I'd better get with the red-meat program...

I’m pretty sure that’s got less to do with your lack of consumption of meat then you think. Most people are not fat because they eat meat, but rather because they eat too much sugar and simple carbohydrates, or in general, just eat too much. In fact, meat rich diets have helped people lose weight. Flexibility seems more likely a product of activity, not diet. High blood pressure could be caused by diet including unsaturated fats from meat or any number of other things. In short, inflexible, fat, hypertensive people can be vegetarians as likely as not.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

CHRISISALL

Monday, June 18, 2007 5:38 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Most people are not fat because they eat meat, but rather because they eat too much sugar and simple carbohydrates,

Well, colour me Simple Carb-man! I literally live on pizza (extra cheese, of course) and peanut M&M's.

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Flexibility seems more likely a product of activity, not diet.

I'd give 60/40 on that point; growth hormone-saturated meats can clog up your joints and reduce possible flexability- but then, so can an excess of margerine, probably...

Leafy-green-challenged Chrisisall

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