Bad Firefly Review at Amazon!

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CONNORFLYNN

Tuesday, March 23, 2004 1:54 PM

Hehehe.. Okies..

We can get into defining who and when why someone gets a say. It's along the same lines as and I'll quote a famous US president "That all depends on what the definition of "IS" is."

If you don't vote..you DON'T get a say as to who gets elected period. It doesn't matter how many letters you write or how much money you throw at some political cause, You still don't get a say in who is elected. This of course applies to every portion of government. If you don't vote, I'd be willing to go out on a limb and say that you also don't A) provide monetary support to any political group. B) You don't write letters to your politicians C) You don't do Write-ins, after all..if your not voting, you're not there to do a write-in.

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The "current electoral process" is constantly changing. The campaign finance reform act that recently passed (often referred to as the Incumbent Protection Act) has changed the process by restricting our 1st Amendment rights within 60 days of an election. There are constant challenges to burdensome ballot access laws that succeed - for instance, in Virginia, a person circulating a presidential candidate ballot petition is no longer required to live in the same or adjacent county as the signer.

The Electoral Process hasn't changed. The process leading up to the electoral process has had reforms. IMHO campaign finance reforms have been a long time coming. BTW that lgislation was passed in 2002..not recently at all really. As a whole..the integral running of the Electoral process remains unchanged. I don't recall and I may have missed it in my reading, where do soft money donations appear or rather where are they defined under the 1st ammendment of free speech?

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Also in Virginia, a court ruling now requires that "3rd party" candidates who have achieved ballot status get labeled with the letter that corresponds with their party ("g" for Greens; "l" for Libertarians, etc.) instead of with an "i" (lumping all as independents.

ROFLMAO.. your point being? If you aren't backed by a specific party..you are then an Independent (thus the definition of an independent. If you are an enviromental activist you fall under the Green Party etc..etc.. It is a way for folks who don't necessarily know who or what platform the candidate stands upon when they enetr the polling booth, to easily ascertain a general idea of where that politician stands.

Also..how does this affect the Electoral process?

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Those who don't vote..don't deserve to complain or commend the status of our country.

That is the silencing I am talking about. Formally known as an abstention, the decision to not vote is just as valid as the decision to vote. Either way, it does not forfeit one's right to have opinions and express those opinions about the status of our country.

Alright alright , I'll clarify.. Those who don't vote won't be listened to by anyone, except maybe by those who join them in their abstention whine fest. It's kind of like those people strapping themselves to a building that is set to be bombed..then crying foul when they get blown up.

Personally , I find those who are "Conscientious objectors" or "Rage against the Man" or "Anti-establishment" laughable. I also cannot take them seriously. I refuse to take them seriously. Those who complain about the system, but don't do something to change it, are merely prolonging their own discontent. The decision not to vote, again..IMHO is truly a banal and lazy way of approaching politics. Personally, if you don't vote or take part, you don't have a rhetorical right in my eyes to bitch about the status of the country, after all what did you do to change it? Opinions are like...well I'm sure you know the rest.. hehe. Opinions never got anyone anywhere. Except maybe grumpy hehe.

PS..sorry to have hijacked this thread.

BROWNCOAT1

Tuesday, March 23, 2004 2:05 PM

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Originally posted by Lunatikat:
Dear Browncoat1,
Couldn't remember if I ever said thanks. THANK YOU VER' MUCH!

lunatikat - at home with the stars (cuz flaming gas bags ARE my peeps)

No problem Lunatikat, that's what we Browncoats are for.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

BROWNCOAT1

Tuesday, March 23, 2004 2:19 PM

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Originally posted by britchick:
Whilst I don't agree with the woman's view, she *IS* entitled to her own opinion.

No arguing that point BritChick because you are 100% right. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, right or wrong, informed or uninformed.

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Freedom of speech is about defending peoples right to say what they believe, without necessarily agreeing with what they say.

Agreed. Freedom of speech is one of the greatest rights we have as a people. Of course that same right allows people to disagree w/ whatever someone might say, in a manner and wording of their own choosing.

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Looking at what she has written - and that she talks about a lot of violence, which actually is not the case in many episodes - its my belief that she has watched only one episode and has evaluated the whole series based on that one episode.

I agree w/ your assessment that the reviewer has only seen one episode and written her review based on what little she saw of the show.

I find it irresponsible for a person to take the time and go to the effort to write a review, then the person should take the time to watch the entire set and then make an informed and unbiased review based off of the quality of the show, not from political leanings one way or the other.

This person obviously watched the one episode she did going into it w/ a slanted view and the preconceived notion that the show would not be a good one. It is hard to write a helpful review for a series if you are already convinced it is not worth watching.

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Making a big deal of her comments - and resorting to name calling of her and her town - actually reflects very badly on us. Makes us seem like spoilt children who stamp their feet and get nasty when they don't get their own way (imho) :)

I agree. Name calling, and making fun of her town do not make us appear to hold the higher moral ground, but people are passionate about this show. Passionate people tend to let slip the reins of reason when something they care for is attacked. Yes, attacked. That is what this review is in light, and attack on the quality of the show, and the people behind it.

I do not say that passion excuses name calling, but it gives an understanding into the behavior. Personally I would like to see her comments picked apart intelligently and comments on her character or hometown left to the imagination.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

CONNORFLYNN

Tuesday, March 23, 2004 6:44 PM

There is the ability to rate the review as well hehe. If enough of us say it wasn't helpful at all..it will disappear into nothingness.

ASIA

Tuesday, March 23, 2004 8:14 PM

Everybody's got the right of free speech, but this is pushing it.

Edited, because I'm just to slow to keep up with the comments.
"She who cries a lot"

SPLIBERTARIAN

Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:46 PM

Attn: ALL INNOCENTS

PLEASE DISREGARD THE FOLLOWING HIJACKED THREAD

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Originally posted by Connorflynn:
Hehehe.. Okies..

We can get into defining who and when why someone gets a say. It's along the same lines as and I'll quote a famous US president "That all depends on what the definition of "IS" is."

If you don't vote..you DON'T get a say as to who gets elected period. It doesn't matter how many letters you write or how much money you throw at some political cause, You still don't get a say in who is elected.

Perhaps, but even if you do vote you don't get that much say, especially since you have such little control over who the viable choices are in the first place.

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This of course applies to every portion of government. If you don't vote, I'd be willing to go out on a limb and say that you also don't A) provide monetary support to any political group. B) You don't write letters to your politicians C) You don't do Write-ins, after all..if your not voting, you're not there to do a write-in.

I imagine that the majority of folks who don't vote also don't do A, B, or C. I am trying to point out, however, that there are plenty who do (A and B, at least). As for write-ins, the candidate you are writing in has to be pre-registered in order for your write-in vote to be counted, so all of those folks voting for Donald Duck every year may as well have not shown up anyhow.

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The "current electoral process" is constantly changing. The campaign finance reform act that recently passed (often referred to as the Incumbent Protection Act) has changed the process by restricting our 1st Amendment rights within 60 days of an election. There are constant challenges to burdensome ballot access laws that succeed - for instance, in Virginia, a person circulating a presidential candidate ballot petition is no longer required to live in the same or adjacent county as the signer.

The Electoral Process hasn't changed. The process leading up to the electoral process has had reforms.

Ok, definition of "is' and all... When I refer to the electoral process, I mean it to include all aspects of said process, including things like primaries and ballot access petitioning.

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IMHO campaign finance reforms have been a long time coming. BTW that lgislation was passed in 2002..not recently at all really.

Pretty recent legislatively speaking - there hasn't even been a presidential election since its passage.

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As a whole..the integral running of the Electoral process remains unchanged. I don't recall and I may have missed it in my reading, where do soft money donations appear or rather where are they defined under the 1st ammendment of free speech?

Under that legislation it is illegal for me to pool my resources with other like minded individuals to air a commercial on relevant issues within 60 days of an election. That is, if nothing else, a restriction of my political speech - I can say whatever I want, so long as it is not via the most influential media outlet available.

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Also in Virginia, a court ruling now requires that "3rd party" candidates who have achieved ballot status get labeled with the letter that corresponds with their party ("g" for Greens; "l" for Libertarians, etc.) instead of with an "i" (lumping all as independents.

ROFLMAO.. your point being? If you aren't backed by a specific party..you are then an Independent (thus the definition of an independent. If you are an enviromental activist you fall under the Green Party etc..etc.. It is a way for folks who don't necessarily know who or what platform the candidate stands upon when they enetr the polling booth, to easily ascertain a general idea of where that politician stands.

This was one of three examples I put forth to demonstrate how the electoral process (i.e. the many processes involved in the election of government officials) is constantly changing - independent of whether or not thes

THEFOP

Wednesday, March 24, 2004 5:31 AM

Inspired, I went to amazon.ca and checked out the reviews for myself (incidentally, you can get firefly DVDs for something like 49 bucks Canadian there. ) I found this one

"the good, the bad, and the ugly, March 13, 2004
Reviewer: A customer from MN USA
I caught only one episode of this show when it aired and didn't bother with it again (frankly, the prostitute character was what turned me off the first time around). Desperate for a scifi show, I thought I'd give it another chance and bought the series DVDs. What I got was a little bit of good (great writing and characters), the bad (the western riff is really tired. Hasn't anyone figured that out yet?), and the offensively ugly (the prostitute who spends time with both the guys and the gals-- yuck). To put this bluntly, there are precious few scifi shows out there, and I can't get into this one because I can't watch it with my kids. You screwed up on this one people, which was a shame. If you had cleaned up the act a bit, you might have had a better, and longer running, show. Fox did the merciful thing when they shot this pony in the head. "

This person pisses me off. He/she doesn't want to watch firefly with his/her kids, which I can respect. It's kind a violent show, a little scary at times, maybe not the thing for the young ones. But she (for the sake of ease, I've decided it's a woman) doesn't list that as a reason. Instead, she complains about one of the characters being a prostitute (which also may not be the thing for kids, if you're wanting to shelter them) who has bisexual tendencies. Seems to be the bisexual tendencies that get to her.

One of the great things about firefly, I thought WAS that Inara "spends time with the girls". Nobody on the show seems to have a problem with it, and THAT bespeaks something that I would like to see: a world without homophobia. And now we have this closedminded homophobe bashing what is frankly one of the greatest things I've ever watched because of it!!!!!

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once the snow got so deep you almost couldn't hear margaret atwood

RKLENSETH

Wednesday, March 24, 2004 6:02 AM

Actually that woman updated her review and said she thought the show was excellent but that she was turned off by the sleazy prositute character and that she was only used to overshadow the really bad cliches in the show.

But most parents won't see a movie unless they can see it with their kids these days. That is why most of the top ten blockbusters are PG or G rated kid's movies. The rest are great PG-13 movies and then there is Titantic at #1 which is a mystery to me since I thought it wasn't all that good. Notes there isn't one rated R movie in the top 10 blockbusters.

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.

THEFOP

Wednesday, March 24, 2004 6:06 AM

that the case? Then I mostly retract, although I'm still pissed that she doesn't like Inara

once the snow got so deep you almost couldn't hear margaret atwood

CONANTHEBARBIE

Saturday, April 3, 2004 1:27 AM

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Originally posted by thefop:
"the good, the bad, and the ugly, March 13, 2004
Reviewer: A customer from MN USA
I caught only one episode of this show when it aired and didn't bother with it again (frankly, the prostitute character was what turned me off the first time around). Desperate for a scifi show, I thought I'd give it another chance and bought the series DVDs. What I got was a little bit of good (great writing and characters), the bad (the western riff is really tired. Hasn't anyone figured that out yet?), and the offensively ugly (the prostitute who spends time with both the guys and the gals-- yuck). To put this bluntly, there are precious few scifi shows out there, and I can't get into this one because I can't watch it with my kids. You screwed up on this one people, which was a shame. If you had cleaned up the act a bit, you might have had a better, and longer running, show. Fox did the merciful thing when they shot this pony in the head. "

Okay, this review I can't fault. She has an opinion that is somewhat objective - whether we agree with her or not.

Seeing reviews like hers make me fairly certain that we must start a cult. People with young children need a support network. We could provide her with that and brainwash her into watching Firefly at the same time! (did I get carried away?)

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"Play nice with the other kids...unless one of the other kids wanna fight; then you have to kick the other kids' butt."
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