Possible Serenity Spoilers from Nathan Fillion at Buffistas.org

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UPDATED: Thursday, March 25, 2004 00:14
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KARENKAY99

Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:53 PM

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Originally posted by Hardware:
No way could they just do that. Dropping that on an audience blind WOULD make Mal seem unsympathetic. However, if you dress it up and make it dance a little first...

I can only imagine what Joss is going to do with the Reavers in a motion picture. He had what, 2 minutes to prep us for the Reavers in the pilot? Quick shots of those that could preparing to fight for their lives and others watching the big Reaver ship prowl on past. Any body remember how tense that scene felt?

Now imagine that blown up twice as big as life on the screen. Reavers being shot and still coming. People being held down and killed slow. Folks being set on fire, running, screaming until they drop still struggling. Brave grown men detailed to hold back the Reavers as long as possible dropping their weapons and running for the only safety possible, Serenity.

Now imagine the barely controlled chaos on Serenity. People crowding into the cargo bay carrying their few meager treasures in a bundle on their back. Refugees from the horror on the rim of civilized space. Mal, Zoe, Jayne Inara and Book barely keeping things under control. Simon treating injured in the medical bay. River entertaining some kids in the lounge. Serenity is stuffed beyond capacity. Kaylee in the engine room is worried the atmo might not hold up. Wash is on the bridge figuring how Serenity is going to handle with all this weight on board, one eye on the scope, keeping tabs on the Reaver ship. A twitch, the screen clears and the Reaver ship is on the move.

Wash calls down to Mal with the bad news. Mal orders Wash to lift off, but leave the ramp down. He wants to give every soul a fighting chance to make it. A few more people shove past him. And then the woman and her child appear. Too far away to make it as Serenity lifts. The Reavers right behind them.

Mal knows what is going to happen. The only mercy he can offer them is a quick death, cold comfort.

Joss said he wanted Firefly to be about the people history stepped on. It really does have a civil war feel to it. And during the civil war if a man was gut shot the only mercy their friends could offer them was a quick death. Indeed, in the original version of the pilot Mal may have had to shoot several of the men under his command since there were no doctors to treat someone who was gut shot.

It fits perfectly. Brilliant.

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this gave me goosebumps. i'm all choked up. i don't think i can wait for the BDM.

"They say the snow on the roof is too heavy. They say the ceiling will cave in. His brains are in terrible danger."

DEANNAMAY

Wednesday, March 24, 2004 3:44 AM

I was just thinking. It would be an interesting twist if the part where he shoots the woman and child is a dream. He wakes up. Later on we find out through little scenes here and there that he was the child running. He just wishes someone could have "saved" him. Perhaps he saw his mother killed by Reavers. She died horribly, and he had to watch. His dream was the fulfillment of being able to save his mother, something he couldn't do as a child.

He knows too much of what they do, and about leaving someone behind, knowing they won't ever be able to forget what happened.

JARED

Wednesday, March 24, 2004 8:43 AM

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Originally posted by DeannaMay:
I was just thinking. It would be an interesting twist if the part where he shoots the woman and child is a dream. He wakes up. Later on we find out through little scenes here and there that he was the child running. He just wishes someone could have "saved" him.
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Perhaps he saw his mother killed by Reavers. She died horribly, and he had to watch.

leading to the question: who did? or if he was hiding somewhere, how did he keep it together? i just watched the short discussion with book again and he seemed too much in control. having someone defend them should have caused some serious reaction (but then, im not that good in judging characters and i cant remember a single outburst of mal)

but youre right that he is knowing suspicously much about them. he knows that the survivor is dangerous and what watching them can do to you. but if he had to watch (even worse, when he was a child), wouldnt he know that you can still remain sane? shouldnt he feel just the more compassion with someone who had to watch it and help him get over it instead of "too bad he survived. i want him off my ship."

doesnt mean i dont like your idea, im just not sure if it would fit in with what we already saw. joss warned us that the movie isnt the show and needs to work for those who never saw the show. but i think he will still try to be consistent with events from the show. though i wouldnt mind a few references to the show, if they arent important to understand the subject at hand and are meant to make people curious and watch the show.

im still curious who was closer to the truth. mal and jayne when they said reavers arent men anymore or book, who made it sound a little like you should actually pity them and try to help (though considering some of his thoughts, his real identity and that it sounded incredibly naive it might have been just an act to support his preacher role)

SHSSAY

Wednesday, March 24, 2004 9:49 AM

I don't know what to say about the first rumor. It has a ring of truth to it. Joss had mentioned that the movie would focus more on the feral Reavers. Quite frankly, I love the idea of seeing them. If a brutish thug like Jayne is filled with dread at the mere mention of their name, they must be grody beings indeed. I agree that my imagination is probably going to do these caitiffs more justice than any Hollywood effect, but I'm still keenly interested to see what they could come up with.

The second rumor is by far more dubious. I do not think that Mal would shoot a mother and her young child. No. I do not believe that that has any truth to it at all. I do not profess to know everything about the character, but I don't think that measures up to who Mal is. I have always loved his sense of justice and decency and this just doesn't seem like it would fit in his personal philosophy. Shooting two innocents--a child?! No way in the 'verse.

I realize that the Reavers are an odious threat and it would be a dire thing to get caught by them, but I doubt that murdering the two intended victims would be something that Mal would do. That's just not the captain.

"Two by two, hands of blue." -River Tam

HORRID

Wednesday, March 24, 2004 3:03 PM

I could see it happening if he was on the swingy rope thing being pulled up into the cargo bay and had no way of telling wash to stop, or if serenity was being chased at the time and couldn't stop, or if the child was spookin his cows

as for the reavers, The Dominion in DS9 started out only being described as did the shadows in B5, I think eventually the Reavers would have to be shown or it would seem like too much teasing and dragging out so if eventually they had to be shown I'd definatly say do it when you've got a movie budget to throw around

BROWNCOAT1

Wednesday, March 24, 2004 3:23 PM

Channain wrote:

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OH! Man. This whole line of thinking could lead to an EXCELLENT fanfic...hmmmmmm.

Don't tease Channy.

Are you going to write a fan fic based on this idea?

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

CHANNAIN

Wednesday, March 24, 2004 4:31 PM

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Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Are you going to write a fan fic based on this idea?

I am looking for new ideas. Heartbroken won't last much longer, and then I'll need something to keep my hand in. I saw an article on the QM2 over the weekend that sparked a murder mystery idea. It would get Mal and Inara off Serenity together, but I just need to do more background work before I decide if I can make it fly.

We have art so as not to die of truth ~ Neitzsche
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BROWNCOAT1

Wednesday, March 24, 2004 4:44 PM

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Originally posted by Channain:

I am looking for new ideas. Heartbroken won't last much longer, and then I'll need something to keep my hand in. I saw an article on the QM2 over the weekend that sparked a murder mystery idea. It would get Mal and Inara off Serenity together, but I just need to do more background work before I decide if I can make it fly.

I guess I will have to wander over and read you fan fic Channy. I haven't read much on this site, and I suppose it's time I make the effort.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

CHANNAIN

Wednesday, March 24, 2004 5:06 PM

I'll warn you - it's quite a read right now. Five parts, and my word count just keeps going up. Part one was a little over 4000 - Part 5 was a little over 6600.

Consider yourself warned

We have art so as not to die of truth ~ Neitzsche
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LJOSALF

Thursday, March 25, 2004 12:14 AM

John Ford did a similar scene with great impact in Drums Along the Mohawk (1939) with Henry Fonda and Claudette Colbert. This movie is set in Revolutionary War times. In one of the action sequences, the settlers are besieged by savage Indians and are running short of supplies including ammo and powder.

IIRC, the preacher goes unarmed to the Indian camp to try to arrange a peaceful resolution to the crisis. The folks trapped in the fort discover that his embassy has failed later that night when, in typical Hollywood savage style, the Indians tie him to an X cross and set a fire alight under him then retreat quickly out of range and wait for the folks in the fort to mount a rescue in order to ambush the rescuers in the darkness and gain access to the fort. I don't remember which character talks the settlers out of going to get the preacher--it's quick though--and the preacher is shot by one of the settlers (again don't remember which character but definitely not one you would expect to do the deed) to spare the preacher the horrible death that none of the settlers can prevent.

This scene highlights the consequences of failure when Henry Fonda's character later volunteers to run to the nearest fort to get help and is relentlessly pursued for more than a day by three Indians. It is a very fine movie in my opinion--cliched Indians not withstanding.

Ljosalf

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