The American Civil War
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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
The fact that you and I can get up in the morning, go and use the bathroom and take a shower, and breakfast...you must realize that MOST of the world can't do this. You do understand what I mean don't you?
Sure they can. You take folk from anywhere and bring them here and next thing you know, they're showering and eating breakfast. The problem is not America, its the rest of the world were folk just like you and me are denied showers by the lack of opportunity and development that comes with the lack of liberty.
We built our showers and egg McMuffins in just over two-hundred years. They've been at it a lot longer and can't seem to put it together. Take France, for example, they perfected breakfast pastry technology, but have yet to master the morning shower after thousands of years of political and cultural development.
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
You sound depressed River. Alcohol is a depressant. Maybe you should do something about your alcohol problem now before it starts to get really bad. The years will go by and you'll find that the problem only gets worse if you don't do something about it. Trust me....
Part of me thinks this is why you're posting the way you do. I certainly don't feel guilty for any of those things you speak about, and I'm kind of offended at the way you're going about saying them too. I'm currently in the thread about how Joss wrote a long blog post about a woman being lynched in a 3rd world shithole, and I've been trying to destory the notion that this is something that men in general should feel guilty for. You can only control your own actions, not anybody eleses, and you certainly can't go back in time and change anything. Don't let what others have done, even if they share "demographic" characteristics with you, make you feel guilty if you know that you're doing right.
That kind of thinking is what they want. They want hetrosexual white male Americans to hate themselves. Watch too much TV or read too many social studies books and you will believe it. Don't buy that bullshit. You sound like you've got a good heart. Follow that and you've got nothing to feel ashamed or guilty about."A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
*sigh*
I'm not drinking bozo.
-River
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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
The fact that you and I can get up in the morning, go and use the bathroom and take a shower, and breakfast...you must realize that MOST of the world can't do this. You do understand what I mean don't you?
Sure they can. You take folk from anywhere and bring them here and next thing you know, they're showering and eating breakfast. The problem is not America, its the rest of the world were folk just like you and me are denied showers by the lack of opportunity and development that comes with the lack of liberty.
We built our showers and egg McMuffins in just over two-hundred years. They've been at it a lot longer and can't seem to put it together. Take France, for example, they perfected breakfast pastry technology, but have yet to master the morning shower after thousands of years of political and cultural development.
*laughter*
-River
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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
*sigh*
I'm not drinking bozo.
-River
My bad... that's great to hear. I must have been confused after the references to waking up on the floor still drunk, and smokey AA rooms.
You take care of yourself.
"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Originally posted by SignyM:
So if it was evil to meddle in the way of the South (which was based on slavery, can't get around that fact) then it is evil to meddle in Iraq and the Sudan. Right?
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Always look upstream.
In a way, I suppose it was evil. If you consider doing more harm than good evil, that is.
What most people fail to realize is that slavery was a dying practice at the time of the Civil War. Almost all western nations had abolished it. If the U.S. had let the Confederacy go (as most people in the north wanted to do at the time), within twenty to thirty years, the Cofederates would have abolished it on their own.
If that had happened, there would be no KKK. The bitter resentment of being forced to conform that lingers in the South to this day because of the war would not exist. Thousands of blacks would not have been lynched. Hundreds of thousands of soldiers wouldn't have died. Many of the social problems dealing with racism and poverty in the south wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the way Lincoln handled the situation.
So, in the long run, I believe that fighting the war was evil.
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[/img]"I refuse to submit,
To the god you say is kind.
I know what's right, and it is time,
It's time to fight, and free our minds!
Our spirits were forged in snow and ice,
To bend like steel forged over fire.
We were not made to bend like reed,
Or to turn the other cheek!"
- from the song "Thousand Years of Opression" by Amon Amarth
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
You sound depressed River. Alcohol is a depressant. Maybe you should do something about your alcohol problem now before it starts to get really bad. The years will go by and you'll find that the problem only gets worse if you don't do something about it. Trust me....
Part of me thinks this is why you're posting the way you do. I certainly don't feel guilty for any of those things you speak about, and I'm kind of offended at the way you're going about saying them too. I'm currently in the thread about how Joss wrote a long blog post about a woman being lynched in a 3rd world shithole, and I've been trying to destory the notion that this is something that men in general should feel guilty for. You can only control your own actions, not anybody eleses, and you certainly can't go back in time and change anything. Don't let what others have done, even if they share "demographic" characteristics with you, make you feel guilty if you know that you're doing right.
That kind of thinking is what they want. They want hetrosexual white male Americans to hate themselves. Watch too much TV or read too many social studies books and you will believe it. Don't buy that bullshit. You sound like you've got a good heart. Follow that and you've got nothing to feel ashamed or guilty about.
Nice try but I am not a victim of White guilt if that is what you are talking about, and as far as my drinking goes I'm not drinking, and I realize that alcohol is a depressant, but I don't feel particulary depressed at this point, also, I actually don't see my drinking as a major problem except for the fact that I woke up on the floor the other day,which was a bit disturbing, but on the whole I'm fine with drinking and I plan to drink until the day I die.
Anyhow. No, I don't suffer from white guilt. I'm not a liberal who looks for problems to call my own. I just notice things in this society and speak my mind about them. The historical facts present and past are that we did the dark and brown skinned people wrong plain and simple and you can argue about it, but history was very good at documenting all of our ancestors activities, so none of you can argue it away, or stray from the topic by calling me a drunk or saying I must have PMS or the usual, male conversation distracts when they don't want people to take a particular subject or topic seriously.
Thanks for saying I have a good heart because when I'm not thinking about sterilizing the whole male population or nuking the planet I do have my good moments, and I can be kind and thoughtful person.
White Guilt? No, not my cup of tea.
-River
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White guilt just furthers inequality, because as an attempt to "rectify" past wrongs innocent people are themselves wronged. I'm a white, middle class, youthful American Male, and this will in effect count against me due to institutionalized affirmative action. I understand that in the past, slave owners who were also predominantly white males discriminated against people of different skin colour and/or ethnic background, but I can say with all certainty that these were not my ancestors, as we were poor Irish people who came over in 1920, and middle class Scottish people who came over in the 1960s. Therefore, punishing me for the actions of my presupposed ancestors is really just discriminating against me. Affirmative Action, for all of the good it does, is not an equitable system, it just gives the impression of one. As to the American Civil War, The South fought for reasons beyond slavery - they wanted greater powers to the states, a confederacy, whereas the North fought for federalism, slavery being the other main issue. Not all Confederates were slave owners or anti-abolishonists ((Sp)) just as not all Unionists were abolishonists ((Sp)).
Edit: Stating that River has an alcohol problem, even if that were true, is bad taste. We shouldn't have to resort to personal attacks to prove our point.
"I'm not going to say Serenity is the greatest SciFi movie ever; oh wait yes I am." - Orson Scott Card
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Originally posted by BrowncoatSandinista:
but I can say with all certainty that these were not my ancestors, as we were poor Irish people who came over in 1920, and middle class Scottish people who came over in the 1960s. Therefore, punishing me for the actions of my presupposed ancestors is really just discriminating against me.
And a fair number of us poor, guilty whites had ancestors here, fighting for the Union and to end slavery. You should not lump us in with the fellas fightin fer Jeff Davis.
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Not all Confederates were slave owners or anti-abolishonists ((Sp)) just as not all Unionists were abolishonists ((Sp)).
Hmm...like Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee, both men morally opposed to slavery. Heck, Jackson was a puritan just like half the Union army.
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Edit: Stating that River has an alcohol problem, even if that were true, is bad taste. We shouldn't have to resort to personal attacks to prove our point.
I agree. River's inability to control herself, her lack of common sense or the ability to reason, not to mention her blatent racism when "in her cups" should not be commented on.
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Originally posted by BrowncoatSandinista:
White guilt just furthers inequality, because as an attempt to "rectify" past wrongs innocent people are themselves wronged. I'm a white, middle class, youthful American Male, and this will in effect count against me due to institutionalized affirmative action. I understand that in the past, slave owners who were also predominantly white males discriminated against people of different skin colour and/or ethnic background, but I can say with all certainty that these were not my ancestors, as we were poor Irish people who came over in 1920, and middle class Scottish people who came over in the 1960s. Therefore, punishing me for the actions of my presupposed ancestors is really just discriminating against me. Affirmative Action, for all of the good it does, is not an equitable system, it just gives the impression of one. As to the American Civil War, The South fought for reasons beyond slavery - they wanted greater powers to the states, a confederacy, whereas the North fought for federalism, slavery being the other main issue. Not all Confederates were slave owners or anti-abolishonists ((Sp)) just as not all Unionists were abolishonists ((Sp)).
Edit: Stating that River has an alcohol problem, even if that were true, is bad taste. We shouldn't have to resort to personal attacks to prove our point.
"I'm not going to say Serenity is the greatest SciFi movie ever; oh wait yes I am." - Orson Scott Card
Interesting point. Also, I don't care about them talking about my drinking. Besides, personal attacks can be fun for the whole family, and also dart throwing is okay just as long as they get back to the the original topic.
-River
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Sarah Palin says US civil war ‘is going to happen’ over Trump prosecutions
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/25/sarah-palin-us-civil-w
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