The American Civil War

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NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Sunday, June 3, 2007 4:13 PM

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Originally posted by leadb:
Right, I got distracted by the costs comment.

Might have to go stick my nose in and see what the current crop of books say.

A lovely book for anyone interested : " Don't Know Much ABout ... The Civil War". Inspired by the rock and roll oldie of similar title, it's fairly short, available in paperback or at your library. Covers a lot of ground in a straight forward fashion.

BTW, the Civil War did not JUST HAPPPEN in 1860-- the conflict is there all thru the westward expansion. The Missouri Compromise and the Compromise of 1850 were contributing factors.

Another worthwhile book: Decision at Philadelphia. About the Constitutional Convention. The Constitution itself was a masterful compromise between large states and small, rich and poor, urban vs rural and , yes, free vs slave.

LEADB

Sunday, June 3, 2007 4:33 PM

Thanks for the references; but specifically, I meant the current crop of school history 'text' books. Never hurts to be a bit active in the local school boards. ... Though one might also influence what is in the school libraries, and as such the above sound like good additions.

RIVER6213

Monday, June 4, 2007 2:08 AM

Wow! Is this thread STILL going on? It wasn't even a real thread, but I STILL don't remember starting this thing. Oh, well... I guess I'm gonna end up with a name tag and be sitting in one of those smoked filled AA rooms like they show on television. I can see it now in my future..."Hi, I'm River6213 and I'm an alcoholic..." Jeezus! I hope that doesn't come true.

Anyway. The Civil War Happened and the South got slapped down, and the slaves were freed. Then of course those very slaves were terrorized for years right up to the mid 1950s, and then snubbed from the 60s to this present day if I am reading my past and current history correctly. And also to this day we screw with them in little ways, and when they scream racism, or "you're being an assholeism" we act all innocent, and tell them that they are being overly sensitive or paranoid. I wonder what Our story really is?

*Red Hot Rant-Mode Engaged*

Are you aware that more than half of the main problems of the United States we brought on ourselves? We whine about the feminists out there, but if men had treated us women right we would never have thought about Women's rights. We cry, and whine about Affirmative Action, and quotas, but if we had treated the other races fairly from the start this would have never been an issues. We moan and groan about immigration and illegal immigration, but if we had, had more control over that in the past it wouldn't even be an issue now. I could go on with this line of thinking, but I'll spare us all.

We create our own problems and then we have the nerve to bitch about them.

*Rant-Mode Disengaged*

I just spilled my coffee in my lap!

-River

LEADB

Monday, June 4, 2007 2:27 AM

Sorry about the coffee. I hope it at least had the chance to grow cold.

Oh yes, we have certainly brought many of our problems to ourselves; you will get no quibble from me on that one.

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RIVER6213

Monday, June 4, 2007 2:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by leadb:
Sorry about the coffee. I hope it at least had the chance to grow cold.

Oh yes, we have certainly brought many of our problems to ourselves; you will get no quibble from me on that one.

Well for such an enlightened race we seem to be taking our dear sweet time seeing the light...

My new pants are ruined!!!!!

-River

REAVERMAN

Monday, June 4, 2007 3:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I kinda see what you're getting at FMF... but then again, I think Bush will go down as the worst president in history and be known as a tyrant worldwide for a melinnia.......

I know you know that already....

It's high time for a third party. (or a fourth... or a fifth....)

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

I disagree. Bush, no matter how terrible a president he is, will be forgotten. He will be overshadowed by the failure of his successor(s) to handle the impossible situation that Bush created. It's a cruel irony of a sort. Bush has created a situation in which the next president(s) are doomed to failure when they try to fix it, and so, people will largely forget (or at least ignore) Bush in the coming years snd lay all the blame on the next guy/gal who manages to be elected (cause, at this point, its going to get a helluva lot worse before it gets better).

I am amazed that anyone wants to be the next president right now.

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"I refuse to submit,
To the god you say is kind.
I know what's right, and it is time,
It's time to fight, and free our minds!

Our spirits were forged in snow and ice,
To bend like steel forged over fire.
We were not made to bend like reed,
Or to turn the other cheek!"

- from the song "Thousand Years of Opression" by Amon Amarth

REAVERMAN

Monday, June 4, 2007 3:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:

Are you aware that more than half of the main problems of the United States we brought on ourselves? We whine about the feminists out there, but if men had treated us women right we would never have thought about Women's rights. We cry, and whine about Affirmative Action, and quotas, but if we had treated the other races fairly from the start this would have never been an issues. We moan and groan about immigration and illegal immigration, but if we had, had more control over that in the past it wouldn't even be an issue now. I could go on with this line of thinking, but I'll spare us all.

We create our own problems and then we have the nerve to bitch about them.

I blame the Puritans. But then again, I blame Christians for a lot of things, so that's probably just me.

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"I refuse to submit,
To the god you say is kind.
I know what's right, and it is time,
It's time to fight, and free our minds!

Our spirits were forged in snow and ice,
To bend like steel forged over fire.
We were not made to bend like reed,
Or to turn the other cheek!"

- from the song "Thousand Years of Opression" by Amon Amarth

RIVER6213

Monday, June 4, 2007 3:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
So if it was evil to meddle in the way of the South (which was based on slavery, can't get around that fact) then it is evil to meddle in Iraq and the Sudan. Right?

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Always look upstream.

Because it was our war at home. Because it happened during a time when no other nation could see the so-called lesser races as actual humans. If we had CNN back in the 1800 history would, or might have been different, but also back then people saw the value of dark-skinned people as being less than.

Back in the so-called day a Black person was not seen as a human, they were seen as animals. Think about that for a moment. Why do Blacks in America dominate most physical sports? This is a product of breeding. We bred them like dogs to get a certain type of super-slave. I love it. We point our fingers at the rest of the world and say that they are bad because of human rights violations, when all we have to do is look back less than a 100 years and find that we are guilty of all kinds of human badness, and don't get me started with the indigenous populations of North America. What we did with them is right up there with the holocaust that happened during Nazi Germania's time in the sun.

It's amazing how history is viewed by the common person. We take what we want and discard the rest. The best part about all of of this is what I am saying cannot be defended. I have to thank all the people in history who took the time to document all of our bad doings and shameful acts. We were very busy bees in the past, and right now in this current history we whine like little bitches because we are not living in what we thought would be a paradise.

Thank the Gods we only have a life span of less than a hundreds years.

-River

RIVER6213

Monday, June 4, 2007 3:59 AM

Double fraking post.

I guess I did have the gromba to take on a topic like this. Human history isn't fun nor is it nice. We would all like to think that there is no blood on anyone's hands but their is. The fact that you and I can get up in the morning, go and use the bathroom and take a shower, and breakfast...you must realize that MOST of the world can't do this. You do understand what I mean don't you?

I think we are all spoiled, and are really missing out on the whole human experience thing, which is not very fun at all when it gets right down to it.

-River

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, June 4, 2007 7:40 AM

You sound depressed River. Alcohol is a depressant. Maybe you should do something about your alcohol problem now before it starts to get really bad. The years will go by and you'll find that the problem only gets worse if you don't do something about it. Trust me....

Part of me thinks this is why you're posting the way you do. I certainly don't feel guilty for any of those things you speak about, and I'm kind of offended at the way you're going about saying them too. I'm currently in the thread about how Joss wrote a long blog post about a woman being lynched in a 3rd world shithole, and I've been trying to destory the notion that this is something that men in general should feel guilty for. You can only control your own actions, not anybody eleses, and you certainly can't go back in time and change anything. Don't let what others have done, even if they share "demographic" characteristics with you, make you feel guilty if you know that you're doing right.

That kind of thinking is what they want. They want hetrosexual white male Americans to hate themselves. Watch too much TV or read too many social studies books and you will believe it. Don't buy that bullshit. You sound like you've got a good heart. Follow that and you've got nothing to feel ashamed or guilty about.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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