Bad Firefly Review at Amazon!

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UPDATED: Thursday, November 4, 2004 18:33
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SPLIBERTARIAN

Friday, March 19, 2004 9:48 PM

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Originally posted by Connorflynn:
Those who don't vote..don't deserve to complain or commend the status of our country.

You know, people say this all of the time, and to me it is all about silencing those who do not wish to support the status quo. I happen to vote (so apparently, I am qualified or deserving to discuss this), but it is a struggle for me each time. Not a struggle to decide between the lesser of two evils (i.e. one of the republicrats pre-ordained to win), but whether to vote at all. Why? Because by voting I am legitimizing the systems in place that determine who gets on the ballot. I don't have the same standing to complain about the duly elected government or politician because by my very participation in the system I have demonstrated my confidence in that system.

Obviously, I don't have confidence in that system. Who are the DNC and the RNC? Who do they answer to? Not me! But they work together to prevent those who do care about what I think from threatening their power - refusing to acknowledge them as legitimate candidates, refusing from participating in debates with them, etc. They install prohibitive ballot access laws to make it extremely costly in both money and manpower to get on the ballot. Even Nader was not on the ballot in all 50 states.

In the end, I vote. I write in, or vote for the "3rd" party candidate who busted his/her butt to get on the ballot. I compromise my beliefs a little, lest my decision to abstain be construed as apathy. But I always feel a little dirty!

A common piece of parenting advice: When you need to get a toddler dressed in the morning, don't ask him what shirt he wants to wear, ask him if he wants to wear the red shirt or the blue shirt. This allows him to feel like he has control of the situation, but you still have ultimate control over what he is wearing.

BUTTERFLY043

Friday, March 19, 2004 10:33 PM

How backward is that Firefly review? It just doesn't make sense.

But I've read a few reviews like that and it occurs to me that you have to be terribly politically correct today in order to please most people. People like this reviewer have no idea how to seperate fantasy from reality for a start. And I really don't think Firefly is violent, certainly not gratuitously so.

When the movie comes out hopefully it will turn people on to the appeal of the show.

LTNOWIS

Saturday, March 20, 2004 9:35 PM

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Saddam financed the SOB's who took out the Trade Center, I think he got off easy.

Actually, he didn't. Osama bin Laden hated Hussein. See, Hussein was a secular ruler, who let women not wear headscarves and be WMD researchers, contrary to bin Laden's fundamentalist beliefs. Prior to the war, Bush and his implied he was connected, and said their was some evidence. And then of course there was the great song "Have You Forgotten." Eventually, even Bush admitted there was no connection between Saddam and Al-quada.

RADAR75

Sunday, March 21, 2004 3:48 AM

ANYWAYS Stepping away from the P word for a second, I think people are too quick to compare Firefly and the Civil War. Firefly's war "Was to unite all the planet's under one rule", IE conquest. The Civil was was about maintaining what already was. People obviously get the conection from "The Train Job", which is sad, cause you can kinda tell Joss didn't want to write that, but he had to lowest common denominator (Regular FOX veiwers) to get his show on the air.

Anyways, people should jsut take some time to think about it.

PEACE

Sunday, March 21, 2004 4:55 AM

Deleted my post...not on topic....

Oh, bugger! Now I have to wait for someone to wake up!

BRITCHICK

Sunday, March 21, 2004 10:09 AM

Whilst I don't agree with the woman's view, she *IS* entitled to her own opinion.

Freedom of speech is about defending peoples right to say what they believe, without necessarily agreeing with what they say.

Looking at what she has written - and that she talks about a lot of violence, which actually is not the case in many episodes - its my belief that she has watched only one episode and has evaluated the whole series based on that one episode.

Making a big deal of her comments - and resorting to name calling of her and her town - actually reflects very badly on us. Makes us seem like spoilt children who stamp their feet and get nasty when they don't get their own way (imho) :)

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ECGORDON

Sunday, March 21, 2004 3:01 PM

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Originally posted by britchick:
Whilst I don't agree with the woman's view, she *IS* entitled to her own opinion.

No one's gonna argue with that, but the question has to be why did she bother to take the time to write a negative review? Why should she have cared what other people like and want to see?

There are quite a few films and tv shows that I don't care for, but the last thing I would do would be to go on amazon or imdb and try to tell someone else they are stupid (or politically incorrect) for liking them.

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ECMORGAN69

Sunday, March 21, 2004 3:51 PM

Right On! It would most definitely take the wind out of the sails of the two major parties. It would be nice to see a political campaign cost less than "Titanic" again

They can have my "Firefly" DVDs when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers....

Oh yeah, you, FOX TV!!

CONNORFLYNN

Monday, March 22, 2004 3:09 PM

"You know, people say this all of the time, and to me it is all about silencing those who do not wish to support the status quo."

The only people being silenced are the ones who choose to be silenced. If you don't vote..you don't speak. I don't see any thugs, at our polling areas, standing there with a baseball bat to silence you if you don't choose to vote Republican or Democrat. There are a number of options when voting.

My point, regarding opinions about our government from people who refuse to vote or take part in the election process, is that the Current(I doubt it will change very soon) electoral process is the ONLY way we as citizens get a say regarding who our elected officials are. Followed by lobbying and letter writing campaigns. How can you be taken seriously when you complain or commend if you don't take part? I find it saddening that there are people in our country who take a defeatist attitude towards the process in general. If you don't like it..move to change it. Change doesn't come from people sitting back in silence. Nor does change come from a defeatist mentality. Those who feel that they have no choice..haven't looked at all their options. Write-ins being one of them.

My 2cps

PS.. I agree.. the whole campaign process is way too long. After week 4 you know what the candidates are going to say before they say it.

SPLIBERTARIAN

Tuesday, March 23, 2004 12:13 AM

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Originally posted by Connorflynn:
"You know, people say this all of the time, and to me it is all about silencing those who do not wish to support the status quo."

The only people being silenced are the ones who choose to be silenced. If you don't vote..you don't speak. I don't see any thugs, at our polling areas, standing there with a baseball bat to silence you if you don't choose to vote Republican or Democrat. There are a number of options when voting.

Voting is voting, speech is speech.

In your original post you stated:
Those who don't vote..don't deserve to complain or commend the status of our country.

That is the silencing I am talking about. Formally known as an abstention, the decision to not vote is just as valid as the decision to vote. Either way, it does not forfeit one's right to have opinions and express those opinions about the status of our country.

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My point, regarding opinions about our government from people who refuse to vote or take part in the election process, is that the Current(I doubt it will change very soon) electoral process...

The "current electoral process" is constantly changing. The campaign finance reform act that recently passed (often referred to as the Incumbent Protection Act) has changed the process by restricting our 1st Amendment rights within 60 days of an election. There are constant challenges to burdensome ballot access laws that succeed - for instance, in Virginia, a person circulating a presidential candidate ballot petition is no longer required to live in the same or adjacent county as the signer. Also in Virginia, a court ruling now requires that "3rd party" candidates who have achieved ballot status get labeled with the letter that corresponds with their party ("g" for Greens; "l" for Libertarians, etc.) instead of with an "i" (lumping all as independents).

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...is the ONLY way we as citizens get a say regarding who our elected officials are. Followed by lobbying and letter writing campaigns.

Clearly voting is not the "only" way we get a say if it is followed by lobbying and letter writing, and let's not forget money. I would agree that it is an important way, perhaps even a primary way, but abstaining can also be used as a way of expressing one's beliefs.

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How can you be taken seriously when you complain or commend if you don't take part?

Seeing as how we have established that voting is one of many ways one can take part, I hope it is clearer how I can expect non-voters to be taken seriously.

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