Just Another Reason Why Copyrights are BS

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, May 26, 2007 10:09 AM

Just another example of the creator of something that generates money not making a dime off of it while a large corporation owns the copyrights and will cash in on it for years. At least he's good natured about the millions of dollars he'll never see. In fact, he just wants a little recognition is all.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05212007/news/nationalnews/spidey_steals_m
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And yes, I'm aware he signed a contract 25 years ago relinquishing the rights to it for a mere $220, but please tell me again how this is fair and how the copyrights protect artists and aren't just a tool to put all of the money making concepts, people, property in the hands of the select few while the talent whores itself out for mere crumbs?

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SIGNYM

Saturday, May 26, 2007 5:13 PM

I agree.

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GEEZER

Saturday, May 26, 2007 6:42 PM

Okay. Someone explain to me how no one having copyright to the idea of a black Spidey suit would have made this guy more money, or provided him with more recognition. I'm not seeing that as a logical conclusion.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, May 27, 2007 2:29 AM

Well... seeing as how the concept of Venom was created by this guy and Marvel owns the copyright (after paying a measley $220 for it), Marvel has made boatloads of cash off of his idea and he hasn't seen a dime since the original $220. Reps at Marvel even admitted this to be the case.

I was just pointing out another flaw in the popular belief that the copyrights are there to protect the artists, when the exact opposite in so many cases is true. I don't believe that copyrights are inherantly bad, but they don't serve their original purpose anymore. The rich get richer off of the talent of the uninitiated.

You're a real smart guy Geezer. Did you really not get that, or are you being deliberately obtuse here?

EDIT: Thanks SignyM.

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NAFLM

Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Well... seeing as how the concept of Venom was created by this guy and Marvel owns the copyright (after paying a measley $220 for it), Marvel has made boatloads of cash off of his idea and he hasn't seen a dime since the original $220. Reps at Marvel even admitted this to be the case.

After reading the article I believe he came up with the idea of a black suit but not of Venom; the article states that the stories with the black suit were "far different than Schueller's original one-issue tale".

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:37 AM

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Originally posted by naflm:
After reading the article I believe he came up with the idea of a black suit but not of Venom; the article states that the stories with the black suit were "far different than Schueller's original one-issue tale".

A mere technicality. With the millions, bordering on billions that the suit has generated, surely you agree that he is entitled to more than $220.... even if he's not asking for it. Are you deliberately trying to miss the point as well?

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SIGMANUNKI

Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:04 AM

Copyrights are _not_ designed to protect artists from there own stupidity.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:43 AM

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Copyrights are _not_ designed to protect artists from there own stupidity.

This wasn't stupidity. This was a naive kid 25 years ago who knew far less than even you or I know about laws. Remember that a kid like him 25 years ago didn't have an internet to go to. There was no Consumerist.com back then. He was just an innocient kid with a good idea that was excited as hell to be a part of the comic creation process and Marvel exploited him and his idea.

Any artist today basically sells their soul to get a contract. It took years before you heard old classic rock songs on commercials, whereas today a groups newest song can usually be heard on an iPod or Target commercial weeks or months before the album comes out.

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Copyrights are _not_ designed to protect artists from there own stupidity.

Part of that is right.... drop off the "from their own stupidity." and you're absolutly right.

It baffles my mind how anybody can even stand behind the big companies and the RIAA and their blatent abuse of copyrights today. Are you a CEO at Sony, perhaps Sigma? I just don't get it.

EDIT: The stupidity/naivity debate is moot. Copyrights were designed to protect the creators of intellectual property and to assure they get their dues. This was their original intent and it was good. Copyrights were not meant to consolidate all of the intellectual property in the world in only a few hands, which is what is happening now. They're currently trying to make it so that copyrights never expire as well meaning that this property, that oftentimes is not even in the owner's or owner's families' hands anymore will make money for the companies forever.... or at least until we nuke the planet to death.

There is no arguing that this is the case. Any argument that I've ever had on my views about copyrights is that copyrights are designed to protect the artist and this is a prime example of the very opposite being true. Please don't use cop outs like that and recognize this issue for what it is.

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NAFLM

Sunday, May 27, 2007 1:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by naflm:
After reading the article I believe he came up with the idea of a black suit but not of Venom; the article states that the stories with the black suit were "far different than Schueller's original one-issue tale".

A mere technicality. With the millions, bordering on billions that the suit has generated, surely you agree that he is entitled to more than $220.... even if he's not asking for it. Are you deliberately trying to miss the point as well?

No, I understand the point, I wasn't disputing it. However, Venom and a black suit are not mutually inclusive; either could occur without the other but Marvel chose to put them together. I was simply trying to clear up what appeared to be a misunderstanding.

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, May 27, 2007 2:01 PM

I do not believe in "intellectual property".

A physical product should be the only thing ever copyrighted, because when you go assigning IP rights to information, you restrict not only the creative processes, but you also restrict knowledge itself, taking it out of the hands of the many, and putting it in the hands of the few to exploit greviously at the expense of the many.

And it should NEVER, EVER apply to personal use only, even in that case - if you wanna build your own PS2 for example, and you go down to radio shack and buy/build the damn thing piece by piece, and you are the only one using it, that should not be a violation, no.

You wanna copy the CD you paid for, to YOUR MP3 player that you paid for, to listen to in YOUR own house, that you paid for, on YOUR own property, that's YOUR business.

Copyright should apply to physical products only, information of any sort should be free - and restricting it in this fashion is why the USA is rapidly sinking to the bottom on technical and innovation fronts - unintended consequences abound here, and rather than protecting innovations, ingenuity and invention, we've effectively destroyed it.

The ONE thing america really had going for it, was our driving ingenuity, and what did we do ?
We legislated it right out existance.

Some time in the far future, people are going to look back on this with the same vague horror as the prosecution of galileo, and for much the same reasons.

The entire concept is idiotic.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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