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SERGEANTX

Thursday, May 24, 2007 3:15 PM

Michael Scheuer has some ideas:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Scheuer

He appeared this morning at a press conference with Dr. Paul to address exactly this issue. It's the most important unanswered question facing us today.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

SEVENPERCENT

Thursday, May 24, 2007 4:02 PM

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
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Originally posted by SergeantX:
You're just looking for a strawman here. No one is suggesting we should appease them.

Cannot treat them as criminals per se and cannot fight them militarily. Cannot appease them either. What are we left with besides total isolation which is not a viable alternative IMHO.

I actually think we need to find out what the roots of the problem are, as (I believe it was) Sarge said. If people are hungry and starving and feel opressed, they turn to religion and fundamental traditions. You'd think they'd do the opposite - "This didn't work for us, let's try a new tack" - but they don't. It's why people can easily find the imaginary villains to them; it's whoever is "meddling" in what appeared to be working for them, even though it wasn't.

The solution, which admittedly is frighteningly scary I think, is to give them what they need to advance. New technologies and methods of food production, and stop allying ourselves with their overlords to get things for ourselves. The Sauds are repressive thugs, but we back them over their own people because they temporarily are running things. When they go, and go they will eventually, the next rulers might not think so kindly about our relationship with them - and where will we be then?

Also, our kiss and cuddle relationship with the Israelis isn't helping either. Are they our allies? Yes, and we should not abandon them. But sometimes they blunder, and the US needs to say "you blew it" sometimes instead of "aw, it wasn't really your fault" all the time.

Dunno. It's a head scratcher. Just my 7%.

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KANEMAN

Thursday, May 24, 2007 5:06 PM

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
Michael Scheuer has some ideas:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Scheuer

He appeared this morning at a press conference with Dr. Paul to address exactly this issue. It's the most important unanswered question facing us today.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

http://thenewliberty.com/?p=173

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Thursday, May 24, 2007 5:14 PM

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Originally posted by SevenPercent:
The solution, which admittedly is frighteningly scary I think, is to give them what they need to advance. New technologies and methods of food production, and stop allying ourselves with their overlords to get things for ourselves.

I don't mean to quibble here but isn't your solution a form of appeasement? And where does it end? Does the West keep giving the Mid East what it needs or asks for while completely leaving the area altogether? When does or should the aid be stopped? If the aid is stopped will terror attacks begin anew, that is to say if they stopped in the first place. Does the aid go to the accepted local governing body and if it does, how do we make sure it is utilized properly?

SERGEANTX

Thursday, May 24, 2007 6:03 PM

The important distinction to make is between the terrorists and the broader Muslim community. It's right to say that it wouldn't be in our interests to negotiate or give in to the demands of the terrorists. But we can, and should, try to encourage good relations with Muslims in general. That's the key to solving this thing. As long as we treat them all like our enemies, they'll continue to line up for bin Laden's suicide missions. We're pushing more and more Muslims toward the ideology of our enemy. That's just stupid.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

SEVENPERCENT

Thursday, May 24, 2007 6:14 PM

I see Sarge posted in between us, and he has the heart of what I mean, but I'll respond anyway.

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
I don't mean to quibble here but isn't your solution a form of appeasement?

It's not appeasement if you put the stuff in the hands of the folks that should get it. For example, we had good relations with some countries over there that had a great democratic base beginning. Jordan. Egypt. Were they perfect? No, but they were at peace with us and had good feelings towards us (notice I keep saying 'had' - I think a lot of those good feelings have been erased). We share with them. Build them up. Make them pillars of the region and places that other countries' peoples would want to go. Do it openly, so that all see we are doing it. It may take time, but I think other countries will follow their lead.

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And where does it end? Does the West keep giving the Mid East what it needs or asks for while completely leaving the area altogether? When does or should the aid be stopped?

It will end on its own, if successful. As countries gain their feet, they need less and less from us. And, if we do it right, we may never have to give up a single base; we'd be welcomed as we are in Europe (optimistic, to be sure, but within the probable). But again, it takes time.

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If the aid is stopped will terror attacks begin anew, that is to say if they stopped in the first place. Does the aid go to the accepted local governing body and if it does, how do we make sure it is utilized properly?

That's part of the problem. In many of these countries, the bodies we back aren't accepted by the people. We should set demands in any dealings we have with countries that they adhere to some of our standards of justice - ie, we'll give more trade agreements when dissidents stop disappearing in the streets. Again, it's optimistic, overly so, perhaps, and a long process. But possible.

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