pretentious, chest-pounding, protecting the damsel-in-distress, woman-protecting, hero of Canton speeches
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UPDATED: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 22:34
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I don't like that word... "chivalry."
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chivalry
noun
Respectful attention, especially toward women
There's a one-sided-ness to it in the history of the word. Why can't we all just be polite to each other? (Rhetorical question.)
Maybe I'm just weird to focus on the definition like that... but I don't like the word.
Gotta go to class, I'll come back to this later!
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"If I were a Nazi, someone would defend my constitutional right to hate Jews. If I were a Klansman, someone would defend my rights to hate blacks. It's a funny place, this world. Hate has rights. Love has none." - Jeff, Murphy's Boy
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Heck, I respect and value men, children, women, and dogs of all shapes and sizes. Therefore, I open the door for anybody who needs my assistance. And if someone holds the door open for me, I say "thank you" and walk on through. And if one of them did it with the ulterior motive of thinking I'm cute and he'd like to get to know me, I'm a grown woman quite capable of taking the flattery and not ending up in his bed.
River, here's a hug. I hope you find some people that help you trust yourself 'cause I'm guessing that it isn't men you're afraid of--it's that you don't trust and have confidence in yourself. I've had my bad experiences with a man or two (or three) but they were just people on the wrong path in life. I've found most people are pretty decent given half a chance. Next time a man opens the door just smile and walk on through add a thank you if you can manage it and I'll bet that's the last interaction you have with him.
I consider myself a feminist (and Whedon's essay on Dua Khalil reminds me why) but there's no need for hatin' half the human race. Opening a door for somebody is just a kindness that we all ought to do for each other (not as a particular honor to sex or age or beauty) but just a simple human kindness that I'd do for my dog.
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Originally posted by Oddsbodskins:
Whatever the opinion, however distasteful I find it, they still have a right to hold it and, so long as they can try to avoid causing too much offense to those around them, every right to express it.
While I agree with you in principle, I have to agree with Khyron, that this is just not how it works, here or elsewhere. There is a majority on the boards and disagreement with majority opinion brings swift and withering criticism, and thinly veiled contempt (and sometimes not-so-thinly-veiled). I agree with Khyron. If a male on these boards made the same sorts of pronouncements about women that River is making about men, they'd have the "is offensive" tag in a heartbeat. There is more than a hint of hypocrisy about all this.
Of course, the other option is that River is just making these outrageous claims in a bid for attention or to play devil's advocate. But given the vitriol, I'd say she believes them. Why she isn't being censured for her sexist attitudes against men is something I don't quite understand. Seriously, men are to be gutted? We're inferior to women? We all of us are heartless, scheming bastards? Are these the sorts of claims we're OK with?
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May I just point out the irony of River hijacking this thread when the whole reason that this thread was started was because of her objection to the hijacking of her thread?
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It's a self-centered attitude to have, but I'm less concerned with the majority on the boards then I am with being comfortable with my owns words and actions.
However, I must be brief, as I just got a faceful of hot fat (overheated it before I added the beef) and I'm going off to be in considerable amounts of pain right now.
Our criminal institutions are full of little creeps like you who do wrong things.
Many of them were driven to these things by a horrible force called Music.
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Originally posted by Oddsbodskins:
It's a self-centered attitude to have, but I'm less concerned with the majority on the boards then I am with being comfortable with my owns words and actions.
That's the real trick, isn't it? To do the right thing, in spite of what anyone else says. It's especially hard when doing so will bring wrath down on your head. That's why I'm such a big fan of Jesus: he took all the abuse, and when they drove the nail through his wrist, he said, "Father, forgive them." I want to be like that (though I'll admit, I have a long way to go).
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However, I must be brief, as I just got a faceful of hot fat (overheated it before I added the beef) and I'm going off to be in considerable amounts of pain right now.
Good heavens! I do hope your OK. Good luck with the convalescing!
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Casual, I think River has been in Troll country before and is trying to overcome her tendency to go off. Check her last post out. (not that she's exactly gracious but...)
You know I agree with you that if a man said similar statements about women he would be being trounced. In fact, I might have been one who at least felt like jumping on him (though I try not to be too hostile).
I could point out that when someone in power (ie a man) does something it has a different effect then when someone not in power (ie a woman) does the same thing. However, that would be hypocrisy. You've convinced me. I'll admit it. You are right.
Yet, I agree with whichever wonderful poster suggested that instead of treating River differently than we are, we should treat that hypothetical woman-bashing man differently. Maybe the world would be a heck of a lot nicer if we all gave men the same benefit of the doubt we tend to give women.
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Originally posted by redhead:
Yet, I agree with whichever wonderful poster suggested that instead of treating River differently than we are, we should treat that hypothetical woman-bashing man differently. Maybe the world would be a heck of a lot nicer if we all gave men the same benefit of the doubt we tend to give women.
Well, I'm with you 50% and not the other 50. I do think that we should make more space for kindness in the way we treat people. Maybe we should treat the hypothetical woman-basher the same as we're treating River. But at the same time, I don't think that it's the case that we should roll completely and allow such ugliness to go unchallenged. And I think that's Khyron's point. At some point we'd say, "All right, that's just about enough of that." But so far, even River's assertion that all men should be gutted hasn't raised so much as an eyebrow, and it's the irony of it all that kills me.
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(while I was off composing my last post, Oddsbodskin got hurt. Hopefully, you soon will be better!)
Actually, Casual, I think you are doing a great job of challenging her. You are making clear intelligent points on why she is misbehaving. Hopefully, she is listening. She certainly hasn't continued to post.
In either case, you've helped me to see things from a different perspective and I appreciate it. And, oddly enough, if River had been sent to Troll country earlier, I might never have gotten a chance to hear your point of view.
And that is an argument for saving Troll country for a last resort!
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