Fair coverage: Duke rape case vs real crime

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MALBADINLATIN

Monday, May 21, 2007 5:10 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Bah, subversion of the press for personal agenda is a game as old as the press itself. From the slimy beginnings of W.R. Hearst, to the near total subjugation of MOCKINGBIRD, to R. Murdoch and the present day, the mainstream media does not present, and has never presented, anything even remotely resembling a balanced view or unspun general news. The closest you'd have ever come to that was AP Wire at the actual press-credentials level when it was simple base information which was then later edited or spun by local media via skew or careful and creative editing.(MEMRI has always been notorious for 'creative editing' of foreign language news)
So really, nothing has changed except for the fact that the internet allows folk to doublecheck on the shit-shovellers and realise the depth of the lies and distortions.
Nothing of the business has changed, it is our perception of that business that has - we've seen the man behind the curtain, and we know he's fulla shit, is what it is. People mostly believe what they WANT to believe, and factual information never changes that one way or the other, the 'news' is *entertainment*, not an information service.
Never expect it.
Never forget it.
Let's get it straight...
Christians are NOT a persecuted minority.
The media does NOT have a liberal bias.
The government is NOT here to help you.

Frem...I'm not trying to be a brown noser but these words are poetry. But has it always been that way? Even in the days of Murrow and Cronkite? Is that the "AP Wire at the actual credentials level" you spoke of? It seems to me that when it was just CBS, NBC, and ABC, they went after scandals and corruption no matter which political party was responsible. Maybe I was just a kid then didn't see below the surface

There are bad guys who are worse than all the others too! Fox News won't talk about Rupert Murdoch's global campaign of promoting what amounts to state run media. Fox News alone seems to cover stories of republican corruption by making excuses for the republican on the hot seat. Then they demonize and character assassinate whomever makes the charges...they're the equivelant to journalistic gangsters. I feel sorry for people who actualy believe that Fox News is fair and balanced, and that everybody else is part of a liberal media conspiracy

And you can't change that by gettn' all bendy.

SASSALICIOUS

Monday, May 21, 2007 10:01 PM

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Originally posted by Misstressahara:
It's sick regardless why it wasn't covered. Stories like this and the story of that woman who was beaten to death by her family as people recorded it make me heart sick and wonder what the hell is wrong with our society. I don't give a damn if they're black or white, that they can do these horrible things to FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS and casually sit there while the body of one victim rots in their home just shows these 5 people, and the people who beat that woman and videotaped it, aren't human or humane, they're devils and demon's and GOD or whatever force that's out there help them when they die, because I won't shed a tear for them.

My deepest condolances to the victim's family's. NO family should have to face this kind of horror and bury what could have been promising lives.

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I second the "what the f*** is wrong with society". What makes someone think this is a good idea? What makes someone think it would be a great idea to abduct a stranger, rape the person, and then dump the victim somewhere else (happened twice on campus and to my friends sister in a different city)?

Robbing a bank or stealing, I understand. Senseless violence? It's beyond my perception.

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FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, May 22, 2007 12:01 AM

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But has it always been that way?

More or less yes.

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Even in the days of Murrow and Cronkite?

ESPECIALLY in the days of Murrow and Cronkite, the red scare didn't spread in a vaccuum, the media was entirely complicit, and on top of that you had MOCKINGBIRD, or at least the beginnings of it.

You wanna see just how bad that got ? Glomar Explorer/Project Jennifer.
http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/jennifer.htm
One of the most ridiculous, ludicrous, total boondoggles of the military industrial complex, and a blatant sop to Hughes in exchange for throwing his weight around politically.

The alphabet goons took it pretty far trying to keep things quiet, and overplayed their hand in revealing just how far they had suborned many papers and journalists, resorting to even outright blackmail and threats to suppress the story.

Millions and millions of YOUR money, poured down the pisser to steal a demolished russian sub for technology and codes over 20 years out of date, piss off the russians for no good reason and frighten them while they have nukes aimed at us ? GREAT idea, guys.
And this was by far not the worst excess of the period, oh hell no.

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Is that the "AP Wire at the actual credentials level" you spoke of?

Nah, back when AP was a straight wire service.
http://www.ap.org/pages/about/history/history_first.html

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It seems to me that when it was just CBS, NBC, and ABC, they went after scandals and corruption no matter which political party was responsible. Maybe I was just a kid then didn't see below the surface

Correct, but see, back at the beginning of things, each paper, each network, instead of pretending balance, generally took a side and pushed it - look at the arguments over the ratification of the US Constitution and the War of 1812, as case examples of this, each side presented it's case, generally in an editorial and in a clean, clear fashion.

The problem that has crept up and bit us on the ass is twofold, one, the remnants and ongoing operations of government fiddling, and two, media consolidation.

Why argue with the competitor when you can just buy them out to shut em up, right ?
And generally conservatives have more money because they are slightly more financially smart than liberals, but moreso because they are amoral and ruthless when it comes to economics.

And the first and worst of these isn't even Fox news, it's Sinclair.

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1097686240147
http://www.commondreams.org/news2004/1015-20.htm
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2004/10/b236420.html
http://www.sinclairwatch.net/

Sinclair's actions "lowered the bar" on media decency, leading to Fox News and the like.
And the conservative shills like Ann Clueless, Rush Blowhard, and the like have adapted much of the same tactical offset as used by other notorious forces.

Call Jackson or Sharpton a race-baiting prick ?, then you're a racist.
Question Israels terror campaign on Palestine ?, Anti-Semetic.
Question the sanity or intelligence of Shrub ?, Unpatriotic
Question the use of this asinine war ?, Hate the troops.
And so on and so forth, and "Liberal Media" is just one more dodge to prevent actual discussion, the brick wall with which the media conglomerates instantly stop all questioning of their intent and action - which is bullshit and I give a free pass to no one.

Believe me, Malbad... Fox news is a buncha pikers compared to the shit Hearst and Sinclair pulled in their time - again, you'd just seeing behind the curtain for the first time since you can effectively cross-check the information via the internet these days.

And this, more than anything else, is why the Big Media Congloms wanna strangle it, they want you to believe what THEY tell you, and knowing the truth is cheating them and screwing their agendas and they do not like it.

Even my only real media hero, Sam "The Shovel" Donaldson fell to it, being forced by his producer to skew a certain set of presidential interviews and utter, under force of threat t

RUE

Tuesday, May 22, 2007 12:14 AM

If it were up to me the media would report crime in two ways:
1) compiled statistics and 2) individual cases with certain details IF the perpetrators are at large, in order to help to catch them or to alert a community.

MALBADINLATIN

Tuesday, May 22, 2007 3:10 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
wouldn't it be nice to have that kind of honesty in the mainstream media?

Thanks for all the great info Frem. I was also watching McNeill Lehrer the other night thinking this is the scholarly PBS!, Jim Mcneill speaks with an NPR-esque soft sedated tone to his voice...maybe this is the only objective news service. But at the end of the broadcast I decided it's just the BBC without the British accent.

I wonder if you might appreciate a Groucho Marx saying that used to be my signature..."You can believe your eyes, or you can believe me"

And you can't change that by gettn' all bendy.

KHYRON

Tuesday, May 22, 2007 5:03 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
If it were up to me the media would report crime in two ways:
1) compiled statistics and 2) individual cases with certain details IF the perpetrators are at large, in order to help to catch them or to alert a community.

Seconded.

Questions are a burden to others. Answers are prison for oneself.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, May 22, 2007 5:40 PM

One of the most interesting articles on crime was done by the LA Times. They simply took swath of time (a few days, as I recall) and reported ALL murders that occurred, and dsecribed each one with a one-paragraph summary. There were 17, best of my recollection, and they were mainly brown-on-brown or back-on-black. Despite the fact that many happened on the street, or at a party, "nobody saw anything" in most of the cases which leads me to think they were drug/ gang related. Not a pretty picture of our society, but not the slanted view that comes from focusing on one particular crime.

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JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, October 21, 2025 2:21 PM

Jussie Smollett Exits Special Forces: World’s Toughest Test Due to Medical Issues

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tv/articles/jussie-smollett-exits-
special-forces-085000513.html

the other two in year 2007, kidnapped, when Christian's vehicle was carjacked. The couple were taken to a rental house. Both of them were raped, tortured, and murdered.

Nicholas Alahverdian also known as Nicholas Rossi and Arthur Knight, among other aliases, an American sex offender and child welfare activist who faked his own death

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, October 22, 2025 1:53 PM

This thread is confusing.
It was posted in May 2007. The Hoax was revealed and charges apparently dropped in April 2007.
The black whore admitted fabricating the whole story in Dec 2024.

But all of the posts in this thread seem to imply that the hoax was real.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_rape_hoax

https://people.com/duke-lacrosse-scandal-2006-what-to-know-8761056

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/14/us/crystal-mangum-duke-lacrosse-allegat
ions

As expected, our usual suspect Libtards were wholly gullible.

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