pretentious, chest-pounding, protecting the damsel-in-distress, woman-protecting, hero of Canton speeches

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BROWNCOAT1

Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:52 AM

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Originally posted by RiveR6213:

I don't see why it has to be a "shame." Did it occur to you how patronizing the so-call chivalrous man is? He thinks that his actions of kindness and gentleman like behavior should be given a special name "Chivalry." Did it occur to you that some women don't like that garbage?

Blame the time in which the name "chivalry" came from. Of course all of those people are long since dust so I doubt if they give one wit about your opinion or not.

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If my car broke down on the side of the road the last thing I would think of is to call a man to help me. I am able to help myself. If another car stopped on the side of the road and it was a man wanting to give me a helping hand, I'd tell him to take a hike.

Then by all means, do the male gender a favor and fly a flag from your car that says "Male Hater! Don't help me because I will be ungrateful."

Seriously, what is your issue? If someone tries to help you, as an act of kindness, you are going to be rude, ungrateful, and beligerent? How is that making the world a better place? It is just such attitudes that is making the world such a dismal place to live in.

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If I want help from a man I would ask for it. I hate when men try to force their help on me and then get their feelings hurt when I tell them to fuck off. It's like guys think every body fucking needs them; what egos!

Not sure what kind of people you have encountered, but I don't force anything on anyone, let alone my help. If a woman, or even a man for that matter, refuses my help I'll just shrug and walk off. It doesn't "hurt my feelings" and certainly not my pride. My chivalrous attitude is done as a genuine act of kindness, not some selfish need to inflate my male ego or to express dominance over a woman.

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Your problem is that you were brain-washed into thinking that we woman need your help, and adding the word "shame" to it all just because I don't agree with your prime-directive, brain-washing.

I didn't realize that being kind and a gentlemen was a "problem". Seems the only problem in this thread, or this board, is your constant need for attention and a venue to spread your venomous rants against men and religion. I pity you and your "I'm and island" attitude. Unlike you I will respect your stance and your right to it.

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Chivalrous indeed! He has to have a special name for it. We women can take care of ourselves and don't need a chivalrous guy hanging around trying to be Superman.

Good luck taking care of yourself. It certainly hasn't made you bitter or anything.

Oh, by the by, when did the female gender appoint you their spokewoman (or is that spokesperson)? My wife and mother don't remember getting a vote.

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FLATTOP

Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:28 AM

You are in an accident, rendered unconcious, and bleeding profusely.
Would you want a male passerby to summon emergency medical assistance? You most certainly did not ask for his help, but quite obviously are in need of assistance.
What of a passing, off duty, male trauma surgeon? Should he stop to assist you? Sure it's his job, but he's off the clock, and you didn't ask him to...

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LEADB

Tuesday, May 22, 2007 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
This is not about logic, it's about experience and my experience with men says that they are one dimensioned, fiends, with only one mission.

Experience is a rough teacher; and her lessons are hard to ignore. It saddens me your experiences have been thus. I would hope that your future experiences will be better, but I fear it is unlikely because most decent guys will allow you the space you put between yourself and men.

AGENTROUKA

Tuesday, May 22, 2007 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by FlatTop:
You are in an accident, rendered unconcious, and bleeding profusely.
Would you want a male passerby to summon emergency medical assistance? You most certainly did not ask for his help, but quite obviously are in need of assistance.
What of a passing, off duty, male trauma surgeon? Should he stop to assist you? Sure it's his job, but he's off the clock, and you didn't ask him to...

Not a really good set of examples, as we're talking abou help that is offered out of kindness and politeness, not ethical obligation.

If her car breaks down. she really may not need any help. Whether offering it anyway is a signal of oppression or of plain human kindness is the question.

Or, it is to some. *shrugs*

ODDSBODSKINS

Tuesday, May 22, 2007 1:17 PM

Off shift I'm not convinced a trauma surgeon would be ethically obliged, morally, perhaps, depending on his or her own particular set of moral values.

As for doors, they're a funny one, door etiquette is complicated at my work because it's a locked door unit, and we can't leave unlocked doors unattended. Personally, I don't open doors for people, but if a group of people are passing through at the same time, then I'll hold it until the next person, be they male or female, has a hand to it. If someone is coming down a corridor behind me, I'll check to see if they're coming through the door, and if so hold it until they catch up. I probably wouldn't stand carefully and lock it behind them, we've all got a set of keys after all. Your attitude there, River 6213, would simply result in you looking at a locked door, I'm all for being polite to people, but if they don't intend to reciprocate, I don't feel any obligation to try and help in any other way.

Outside work, I'd do more or less the same, if someone is coming through a door after me, I'll hold it until they catch it. Again, regardless of gender.

And do try to be less abusive towards people on the basis of their gender.

On another note, Zoid, I beat you by 3 points xD

(Just a little male competitiveness for the benefit of any who may seize on it ^^ )

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KHYRON

Tuesday, May 22, 2007 1:20 PM

Would some guy on this board have the same opinion of women as River has of men (and would he be as open about it as River is), I bet you almost everybody on the board would be in this thread shouting him down as a sexist Nazi bastard, some would probably even mail Haken to get him banned.

Ah, the beauty of hypocrisy... but what do I know. The only reason I looked at this thread was because I wanted to say something chivalrous that'd impress all the chicks on here so that I could bone them.

Questions are a burden to others. Answers are prison for oneself.

ODDSBODSKINS

Tuesday, May 22, 2007 1:23 PM

Whatever the opinion, however distasteful I find it, they still have a right to hold it and, so long as they can try to avoid causing too much offense to those around them, every right to express it.

Our criminal institutions are full of little creeps like you who do wrong things.
Many of them were driven to these things by a horrible force called Music.

KHYRON

Tuesday, May 22, 2007 1:35 PM

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Originally posted by Oddsbodskins:
Whatever the opinion, however distasteful I find it, they still have a right to hold it and, so long as they can try to avoid causing too much offense to those around them, every right to express it.

I agree. Did you see me saying she shouldn't say what she wants? No? Okay then.

I said that would it be the other around, there'd be a huge fuss about it. This underwhelming response to River's bigoted opinion of men just illustrates the hypocrisy becoming more prevalent in society where bitching about men and perpetuating a wrong image of their motives is fine, but bitching about women is a cause for an inquisition.

Questions are a burden to others. Answers are prison for oneself.

ODDSBODSKINS

Tuesday, May 22, 2007 1:59 PM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
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Originally posted by Oddsbodskins:
Whatever the opinion, however distasteful I find it, they still have a right to hold it and, so long as they can try to avoid causing too much offense to those around them, every right to express it.
I agree. Did you see me saying she shouldn't say what she wants? No? Okay then.

I said that would it be the other around, there'd be a huge fuss about it. This underwhelming response to River's bigoted opinion of men just illustrates the hypocrisy becoming more prevalent in society where bitching about men and perpetuating a wrong image of their motives is fine, but bitching about women is a cause for an inquisition.

Steady now, maybe I picked up the wrong end of the stick, but slow down a little and remember how easily a tone can appear harsh online.

Whilst we agree that everyone has a right to hold pretty unpleasant opinions, I'd be slightly less inclined to look at the big, downfall of society picture, and take it as a nice thing that, in one case, people are actually allowing someone the right to hold a controversial opinion. Maybe it'll catch on, and we, here, now, will usher in a new age of pleasantry and enlightenment. Although I must admit to a little scepticism there. As far as who it's more acceptable to bitch about, I figure that kinda thing goes full circle every so often anyway, it's not worth getting too het up as it goes.

But, you know, I'm male, and in certain opinions, only saying what I'm saying because I want to get into someone's pants. Not sure who, internet relationships aren't my thing, but someone's, it seems.

Our criminal institutions are full of little creeps like you who do wrong things.
Many of them were driven to these things by a horrible force called Music.

AGENTROUKA

Tuesday, May 22, 2007 2:10 PM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
Quote:
Originally posted by Oddsbodskins:
Whatever the opinion, however distasteful I find it, they still have a right to hold it and, so long as they can try to avoid causing too much offense to those around them, every right to express it.
I agree. Did you see me saying she shouldn't say what she wants? No? Okay then.

I said that would it be the other around, there'd be a huge fuss about it. This underwhelming response to River's bigoted opinion of men just illustrates the hypocrisy becoming more prevalent in society where bitching about men and perpetuating a wrong image of their motives is fine, but bitching about women is a cause for an inquisition.

Questions are a burden to others. Answers are prison for oneself.

I have to agree with Khyron.

If it was a man spitting vitriol about women because "he never had reason to believe otherwise", people would be reacting a lot more vehemently, and it's not helping either side to just let it slide when the irrational prejudice is directed at men.

It's hateful blather, nothing else.

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