Joss Post at Whedonesque
POSTED BY: FireflyPassenger
UPDATED: Monday, June 11, 2007 08:49
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As a raging feminist who loves many men I have often pondered the issue. Joss's theory of "womb envy" seems too simple to me (although maybe my theory is just as simple -- it's hard to see these things from outside).
I have always thought that men resented the sexual power women have over them (I certainly have resented the sexual power some men have had over me). I think we all resent being compelled in a direction that isn't the one we might have chosen if given a choice.
So for example when I have a hormonal compulsion to some man who does not reciprocate, I resent my powerlessness in the face of that compulsion. I resent the inevitable humiliation which accompanies said compulsion and I resent the man.
Powerlessness in the face of anything is difficult, and many many times, we are also powerless to fight back. When you are put in a humiliating situation at work, you are often incapable of taking any action on your own behalf. But, in the case of men vs. women, a man can fight back and in fact release ALL of his frustrations about his earthly powerlessness on this one cause.
And, in that way all humans have, we have a tendency to group our resentments. That is, if one man humiliates me through rejection, I can ascribe his nastiness to all men and resent all men for having the potential power to humiliate me through rejection.
It is also quite difficult to reject our own DNA programming so that others do not have the power to belittle us through their rejection. God knows, I try hard not to be a DNA puppet, but there I'm also fighting a force that may be more powerful than I am.
Moved to musing,
Crow
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Originally posted by redhead:
I got that her first post contained personal attacks. And I got that she got a warning. Someone else though made a reference to her making another attack. (which I guess could have been reason enough to kick her off but the first time wasn't)
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edited to say Joss linked to EN.
[ edited by sansmercy on 2007-05-20 13:00 ]
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Bless me, I apologise wholeheartedly to poor Joss. I didn't click the link because it looks like it links to it - entirely my fault. :-D
I know most men are too busy being upset that they can't bear children and then beating their wives in frustration and jealousy to pay too much attention to where they link. Joss is clearly a highly evolved being.
Womb envy is such a burden on poor men. I blame women, for flaunting their tampon ads and suchlike in the face of mens terrible loss.
Really, womb envy. Brilliant deduction. Not economics or education or lack of power or cultural fear or any number of other possible reasons. No, in the end it all comes down to the fact that nice sensitive men want to make babies and have periods and people who can do that scare them. Okay.
::shrugs::
/tangent
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"If I were a Nazi, someone would defend my constitutional right to hate Jews. If I were a Klansman, someone would defend my rights to hate blacks. It's a funny place, this world. Hate has rights. Love has none." - Jeff, Murphy's Boy
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Okay, sansmercy's rude, unpleasant, and childish. But, I still think she has the right to her opinion and that it shouldn't be squelched.
(and thanks for hunting that out for me. My eyes are blurring from searching through the posts.)
Hopefully, though, we (me, at least) won't get too distracted from Joss' point--We all need to do our part to promote gender equality.
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For what it's worth, Crow, Joss himself called the "womb envy" thing "a rather silly simplification, but I believe on a mass, unconscious level, it's entirely true".
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A mod warned sansmercy to cool it after her first post. She then returned giving out that joss linked to the video (he hadn't she just presumed he had) and then came back ranting again. She was warned and went against it Twice. I think she deserves what happened. A mod caroline addressed the whole thing as follows
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Sansmercy didn't get banned for having a different opinion. She got a time out for being rude and aggressive about it, having already been warned once. That's not the way we talk to each other here, as most people who stick around this place know. They also know we do not discuss moderating policies on site.
From that it sounds like a temp ban anyway not a full time one.
The mods on whedonesque can come off as tough but they don't ban people for disagreeing.
http://midknight.wilson.googlepages.com/home
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I apologize for my second post about this subject and I'd like to thank whomever posted this.
Yet another reason to add to all the other reasons of why Joss is IT for me. I truly do love and admire him as a person, not just a writer.
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"Drew isn't that talented. He just gets away with stuff because he's cute."--David Fury on Drew Goddard
"Our fate has to be our own, or we're nothing."--Angel
"In Joss We Trust."
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I finally decided to join Equality Now and see if I can make a difference in my own country.
South Africa is a diverse mix of old and new and while I'm lucky to be in a position where I'm not faced with too much discrimination based on my gender, many here aren't so fortunate.
If I can make a difference, I'd take that as an honour.
Big Damn Browncoat Vote http://richlabonte.net/tvvote/index.html
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Me, too, It would be interesting to see what was the result on Equality Now's site after Whedon's post.
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And this is why Joss is my hero!
"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs
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Joss's post is spreading all over the internet and rightly so.
I actually saw it on the celebrity gossip blog I read before I got here.
I hate the injustice in the world. I hate the men that propagate this type of injustice and I hate women that allow them to.
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