Zoë's cooking

POSTED BY: PhoenixRose
UPDATED: Monday, September 3, 2007 16:51
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PHOENIXROSE

Saturday, May 19, 2007 5:32 AM

Why is it that in every single fanfic I can remember reading, Zoë is portrayed as a horrible cook? I can get characterizing her as a woman who might not like to cook, but that doesn't automatically mean she's terrible at it. There's only one time we see her cooking in the series, and Wash treats it like a reward. "I musta done good." is what he says upon recieving some 'wife soup'. He doesn't eat any of it because of the little scene with Mal, but he didn't seem to be dreading the taste at all to me.
So why - why - do fanfic writers insist on casting Zoë as the crew member who's night to cook everyone dreads? Sometimes even the woman who thinks she's a decent cook but isn't? That one in particular seems totally against her character. She's a woman who's very aware of herself and those around her; she would know if she was a lousy cook. She also wouldn't get offended if told she was a lousy cook. Like I said, she probably doesn't enjoy it and it seems to be a rare thing to see her in the kitchen, but how does that translate over to all these other things? I do not understand, and it's really starting to grate on me.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

BLINDOUTLAW

Saturday, May 19, 2007 5:36 AM

it could be because she is the warrior woman, so some people think her skills don't extend to the kitchen. But you never know she may cook up the greatest meals on the ship and she just doesn't get the chance to do it, but we just don't know.

now if Jayne cooked a meal *shudder*

mmmmmmmm wife soup
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PHOENIXROSE

Saturday, May 19, 2007 5:47 AM

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Originally posted by Blindoutlaw:
it could be because she is the warrior woman, so some people think her skills don't extend to the kitchen.

But that would be like thinking a warrior woman wouldn't want to wear a slinky dress. What I like and what I think everyone likes about Joss Whedon is that his characters are well-rounded. They're people, rather than archetypes. There are facets and nuances to them. Mal and Zoë are not, for example, the fearless, flawless leader and the strong right hand. They're people. People who were scarred by a terrible battle, who have held each other up through life and work well together. People who run into problems and don't make it out without a scratch on them. People who can fire a gun AND cook AND love deeply AND struggle with their demons... and and and! Most writers seem to understand that when it comes to Mal, but not as much with Zoë. Sometimes there's the two Zoës in a story; the warrior and the wife. She's written differently in the context of her relationship with Wash than any other time. That's also wrong, since she's always the same woman who protects her crew and loves her husband, but at least it takes into account that she has that. But a lot of post BDM fic, of course, doesn't have that, and Zoë fades and is the strong right hand who can't cook

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

THEREALME

Saturday, May 19, 2007 7:56 AM

Without meaning to offend any writers here, there are not many around with the talent of a Joss.

TheRealMe, Captain of the Sereni-Tree

MISSTRESSAHARA

Saturday, May 19, 2007 11:40 PM

If I may, not disagreeing with you here, but they may have picked up on something Alan said in the commentary for War Stories, now it's been awhile since I watched it but in the commentary Alan jokes how Zoe is supposed to be this terrible cook but in real life Gina is a fabulous cook and even had a party (she and hubby Lawrence Fishburn) and had Alan over and Gina cooked this huge meal, all courses. Nathan replies really? And Alan says yeah she makes great food.

Now you know how people are, they hear one thing from the actors or things dropped by the writers produces directors and they think of it as canon. I'm not sure if Alan was joking, but that just may be where they heard it, sublimanally remembered it, and just took it as rote. If you want to make sure you should pop in War Stories and skip right to the end where she's serving Wash the soup (with the commentaries on) and you can hear for yourself.

I hope my long winded addition wasn't too much to read.

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RIVERDANCER

Saturday, May 19, 2007 11:58 PM

Yeah, you're right. I watched it just now and he says something like "Gina cooked for me and it was great and I had always though of her as a bad cook because she didn't like to cook on the show, but the actual person is a great cook."
Funny how people think those kind of things. I've known plenty of people who hated to cook but were still okay at it. Folk gotta eat.

JETFLAIR

Sunday, May 20, 2007 9:01 AM

I've never taken particular issue with (or even noticed) the cooking thing, but this does bring up an issue I have with fanfic portayals of Zoe in particular.

It seems like everyone wants to write her as hard and cold, even ruthless. Where, exactly, was she like that in the series? In the series, she's a thinking, feeling, loving, and compassionate woman. The fact that she can also deal calmly with violence, fight, kill, and control her emotions seems to throw a lot of people.

Why can people wrap their heads around the fact that tough, cold, and violent Mal is also a caring, human, and even softhearted man.....but not be able to do it where Zoe is concerned?

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AGENTROUKA

Monday, May 21, 2007 6:44 AM

Very much in agreement about the cooking confusion.

Or the hard-ass portrayel confusion.

I'll add some confusion about her relationship with Mal.

People love writing her as.. protecting him against Inara. Basically, warning off Inara not to hurt him like some overbearing older brother stereotype.
Out of anyone on the ship, Zoe should be best able to understand Inara's side of the equation, that being a woman with a profession that can stand in conflict with her relationship to the man she loves. If Zoe tried casting stones, Inara would probably point at her glass house, but I think Zoe's too self-aware of that.

So... that particular cliche always annoys me. I don't like when people revert to stereotypes without really examining if they even fit.

RIVERFLAN

Saturday, August 25, 2007 6:12 PM

First of all: the cooking issue. I think the reason is that a lot of folk have narrow minds. Too much bad TV (Firefly is good TV) But just because she doen't like cooking doesn't mean that she can't cook. It just means that she doesn't like to. And remember the line "Wife soup. I must have done good." Maybe she just saves her cooking for treats, rather like the way you treat your pet to pet treats when they do good.

The hard-ass issue: I think that folk see "ex-military" and think "stone killer". That's not true. Yes, some people end up like that, but not all. That vision is mainly caused by narrow-minded folk.

And Zoe wouldn't talk with Inara like that. She's not some over-bearing older bro. She respects that Inara and Mal are adults, and can be responsible for themselves.

That's my two cents worth. Bwaa!

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SPACEANJL

Sunday, August 26, 2007 1:40 PM

Zoe in the war was a 'stone killer'. Remember Tracey and his take? But she has moved on from that, and although some of it was probably meeting Wash, not all of it. But the scant background gleaned is that she is career military, from that background, and that she was born and raised shipside. (sources: OVC's, scripts.) I think she can cook, but doesn't enjoy it as a relaxation. I think she enjoys good food as much as anyone, but I don't think she lives for the sensation of taste, or relaxes over creating just the right flavour to a batch of sauce. (Yeah, I'm a glutton, with a very large library of well-used cookbooks.) She may not have grown up around a lot of 'real' food.

Also, Jayne cooking? We've seen it, beginning of OiS. He and Book chatting, and Jayne is flipping little patties of some sort perfectly happily. He likes his food, and I could see him hunting and prepping meat.

Now, I've written Simon as a dreadful cook, because he's never had the experience of it. (Plus, I knew some medical students at Uni. Really, you do not want to know. *shudders*) He obviously still lived at home until the Breakout, and I imagine the Tams had servants.

Zoe and Inara? Not a lot of interaction between them in the series. I think they respect each other, but are very different people. I can see Zoe being a little unnerved if she thinks her commanding officer (and friend) is losing focus and risking taking them all down over something. But I don't like the fics that have everybody in everybody else's business all the time. Inara and Kaylee indulged in a little girl-talk, but that was clearly down to their personalities. Zoe and Kaylee may have done in the past, but there is quite an age/experience gap there. The only way a close-knit group living in a small space will cope is if they do leave other folk alone.

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