Word on Firefly from Joss himself

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MYCROFT2

Monday, May 14, 2007 3:27 AM

Vive la différence!

P.S. Thanks for the cookies!

MYCROFT2

Monday, May 14, 2007 3:33 AM

I'm gonna respond to both posts at once

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Hey! You can be Alliance and STILL be a fan of Firefly buster! Keep in mind that River, Simon, and Inara were Alliance.

Yeah, but they got on a Firefly class ship anyways, so they don't count!

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With all the jokes aside. I feel that Joss will eventually return to Firefly because it will be the one thing that will keep him in the game. Also, I get the sense that all the actors who played in Firefly would, regardless of what they are involved in at the time, would jump at the chance for a new Firefly series. Last time I checked, not ONE of their careers were doing very well. Mark my words. Firefly will be back.

Actually both Adam and Summer have pilots that were picked up for the fall. But I agree, they would all make time for a Firefly project.

RIVER6213

Monday, May 14, 2007 3:40 AM

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RIVER6213

Monday, May 14, 2007 3:45 AM

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Originally posted by Mycroft2:
I'm gonna respond to both posts at once

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Hey! You can be Alliance and STILL be a fan of Firefly buster! Keep in mind that River, Simon, and Inara were Alliance.

Yeah, but they got on a Firefly class ship anyways, so they don't count!

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With all the jokes aside. I feel that Joss will eventually return to Firefly because it will be the one thing that will keep him in the game. Also, I get the sense that all the actors who played in Firefly would, regardless of what they are involved in at the time, would jump at the chance for a new Firefly series. Last time I checked, not ONE of their careers were doing very well. Mark my words. Firefly will be back.

Actually both Adam and Summer have pilots that were picked up for the fall. But I agree, they would all make time for a Firefly project.

True, but all the actors from Firefly seem to only play bit parts in movies or special guest stars in televisions shows. Now and then they get lucky and are picked to be on a new series which as we have all seen get canceled after 4 or 5 episodes. What I'm not getting is that the actors from Firefly are good actors and actresses...why does this keep happening to them? They can't be making much money so I guess they are waitressing on the side or are janitors in an office building. Go figure.

-River

SNAKEBLOKE

Monday, May 14, 2007 11:07 AM

I agree River6213, AFAIK (again quoting qhat ive been told by someone else) Joss got the rights back, possibly for a substantial ammount of money.

This is good news, but it could also be to do with the Firefly MMO game thats been annouced recently.

oh and thanks to NONSTOP for noticing my sig

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Monday, May 14, 2007 4:15 PM

Actually, it's the Firefly MMO deal that proves that Joss does not have the rights to Firefly. Fox still owns the rights. Since the Firefly MMO deal was announced last December, there's been no word on whether or not Joss even knows about it, much less is going to be involved in making it. And the original announcement in Wired mentions Fox Licensing several times:

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Multiverse, maker of a free MMO-creation platform, plans to announce Friday morning that it's struck a deal with Fox Licensing to turn the show into an MMORPG in the fashion of Star Wars Galaxies or Eve Online.

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"We see virtual worlds as an extraordinarily promising new entertainment medium," said Adam Kline, Fox Licensing's vice president of media enterprises in an e-mail. "We believe Multiverse can deliver an experience that will remain true to the original series, while enabling a whole new level of personal involvement for fans."

(From http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/12/72263 )

I hate to be the bearer of bad news (and it's a rainy Monday morning, so forgive my surliness), but from what I've managed to piece together from reading between the lines and watching which mouths talk when, Joss does not own any of the rights to Firefly. He got permission from Fox to shop the rights around after they cancelled the show, but that was only to see if someone else would pay Fox money for the rights. When no one bit, the rights went back to Fox. Universal obviously got some rights from Fox to make the BDM, but apparently not all of them, since Fox Licensing is who is working with Multiverse on the MMO. (And those of you who have your Firefly Companion Vol. 2, what's the copyright info say? Fox?)

Joss may have a clause in his contract that states that Firefly and/or the BDM can't continue without him on board, but it's a long way from that to him owning all the rights. I want Firefly to come back as much as the next Browncoat, but unfortunately I think that means that either Fox Licensing or Universal Licensing would have to greenlight the project.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

CHRISTHECYNIC

Monday, May 14, 2007 6:19 PM

With respect to nay saying:

Consider the possibilities. First it is either possible or impossible to get more. As we are all human, as far as I know, we can not see the absolute truth we don't know which. If it is impossible nothing we say or do matters so there's no point to say it is possible or it isn't possible. If it is possible to get more than it is either possible or impossible for us to make a difference in whether or not there is more. If it is impossible than nothing we say or do on the topic matters so there is no point in saying it is or is not possible.

If it is possible to get more and possible for us to have an effect on whether or not we do then what we say, or what we do, or both, matters. If there is a way that saying it is impossible would help us I do not know it. I also do not know of any way that saying we could get more would help, so the only thing that could possibly matter is what we do.

When someone says, "Firefly isn't coming back," that means, "Firefly isn't coming back," and thus there is nothing to be done. If there is nothing to be done nothing will be done. If nothing will be done the situation will not change. If the situation does not change Firefly will not come back, thus Firefly isn't coming back. If it said, and more importantly believed, it becomes self fulfilling.

There were people who tried to say that Firefly would have no continuation when it was first cancelled. If they had been believed when Universal tried to decide whether or not to pick up Serenity they would have found that there was almost no visible fan base because almost all of the things that made the fan base visible were in part attempts to get more.

How would they have reacted if they had been pitched a movie that continues a show which, as far as anyone could tell, no one cared about? Well they might have made Serenity anyway. It's possible. Just like they might make a second movie for no apparent reason. Both are within the realm of possibility, though fairly unlikely I should think.

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Now no one in this thread has said it is impossible for us to get more, and that is important. If you say the odds of Firefly returning are crap that's one thing. If you say that the odds are one in million, billion, trillion, quadrillion, quintillion, ... or googolplex that's a similar thing. If you say it can't happen that is, of course, completely different. The difference between saying, "I think the odds of Firefly coming back are roughly the same as The Second Coming happening this afternoon," and, "Firefly will not return," is huge.

Since no one in this thread has said it's impossible to get more, they might still be doing things to exploit that slim chance they do believe in, in which case the above doesn't matter. I don't know what they're doing or failing to do.

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There is something else to point out though. No one here is an idiot so everyone probably knows this, but people can forget to apply what they know and things can slip peoples minds. So here's the thing, it is a scientifically proven fact that people are bothered by large thing (in this case letdowns) far less than small ones. The attempts to explain this delve into coping mechanisms, ambiguous perception, the "psychological immune system" and various other things but the one thing that is well understood is that if an unpleasant experience is above a certain threshold you can cope and it doesn't have much of an effect, if it is below that threshold coping does not kick in and you end up less happy and more bothered by it than you would have been had it been more horrible.

This is true of electric shocks, this is true of relationships, this is true of sports, and this is true of TV shows. So the truth is that if the naysayers are right and Firefly doesn't come back the people who were sure heart and soul it would return will be less bothered by it than the ones who listened to the naysayers and were expecting that to be the case.

Getting people's hopes up protects them from unpleasantness, getting th

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Monday, May 14, 2007 6:41 PM

ChrisTheCynic (ironic name!) --

I don't know if your post was directed at me, wholly or partially, but either way, I wanted to say that I'm not trying to depress anyone. I'm not saying we should give up on getting more Firefly and/or BDMs. I'm not saying it's not worth the effort; even if we don't accomplish anything, it would still be worth the effort.

That said, I think the more we know about the reality of the situation, the better. Knowing who owns what with regards to our beloved 'Verse helps us better focus our efforts. I've been watching the MMO situation pretty closely (I'm a huge MMO fan), and from what I've gathered from the bits and pieces reported, Fox can license out at least parts of the Firefly Intellectual Property without any input from Joss, and apparently without any input from Universal (the only evidence I have of this is from interviews with Multiverse, which say that they are working with Fox Licensing, and do not have the rights to use anything from the BDM).

I don't think being disconnected from reality does us any good. Knowing who owns the IP, who's attention we would need to get, which pocket to put the money in, etc, can only help our cause. I believe we can and will see more of the 'Verse in one form or another. I think if the MMO actually gets made, it could be the road to bigger and better things. But I don't see any point in living in a fantasy world where Joss owns all the rights, and all we have to do to get more of the 'Verse is to raise a couple of million dollars for Joss. We know that Fox still owns some part of the IP. Let's use that information to our advantage.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

STORYMARK

Monday, May 14, 2007 6:43 PM

Gee... seems to me, if Joss bought back the Firefly right, that he may have mentioned it, or at the least hinted cryptically at it.

Whenever I hear a "Someone told me..." on a message board, without anything to back it up, it goes right into my "wishfull thinking" file.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

FOLLOWMAL

Monday, May 14, 2007 7:13 PM

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Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
That said, I think the more we know about the reality of the situation, the better. Knowing who owns what with regards to our beloved 'Verse helps us better focus our efforts.

Amen, CK. Knowledge is power. And in this case it's all the power we have. "Focus our efforts" is the operative part of what I've quoted above.
Thanks for sayin'.

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I don't think being disconnected from reality does us any good. Knowing who owns the IP, who's attention we would need to get, which pocket to put the money in, etc, can only help our cause. I believe we can and will see more of the 'Verse in one form or another. I think if the MMO actually gets made, it could be the road to bigger and better things.

~CK

My daughter who is an avid WoW player told me that an MMO of Firefly would be one of the most effective ways to spread the word, as she could see the FF world being just as addictive while playing.
She was at B3 with me when DarkHorse announced this and she literally leaped to her feet and shouted. Fox is who is licensing this by the by.
They announced it that day.

To carry on with your subject CK.

Saying there isn't likely to be more Firefly or Serenity at this point is realistic, it isn't depressing. It could be a rally to arms if you so desire to look at it that way. Realizing our beloved 'Verse is getting farther away from more with the passage of time shouldn't make us despondent, it should make us mobilize.

Let's mobilize Browncoats.

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