Recommend Firefly

POSTED BY: rklenseth
UPDATED: Thursday, March 25, 2004 05:34
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RKLENSETH

Tuesday, March 16, 2004 6:13 PM

We need to fight this. Just because we are more organized than other groups are doesn't mean they can do this. I am going to issue a complaint against this "Benn Gunn Society" as it was them that most likely reported this and they are doing the same exact thing to promote their damn CD.

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.

NOOCYTE

Tuesday, March 16, 2004 6:13 PM

I just chalk it up under 'punitive damages.'

It does kinda have a 'some people talk in class so everyone gets detention' vibe to it, which always rankles. Perhaps a more measured response would have been more fair.

Buuuuut... it was we who used the Amazon forum to mount a promotional fanac, in violation of their TOS, so we got the smackdown...along, no doubt, with innocent DVD buyers who've never heard of FFFandom. Which kinda bloweth.

But whaddya gonna do? We will rise again...just... elsewheres, is all.

Keep flyin'

Department of Redundancy Department

RKLENSETH

Tuesday, March 16, 2004 6:32 PM

Look at their guidelines and tell me what rule we broke? Did someone post something on the Amazon.com Forum?

We didn't do anything wrong. We aren't company trying to sell our product. We are fans trying to tell other people how good this series is which is exactly what the purpose of the recommendations are. I plan on fighting this.

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.

BROWNCOAT1

Tuesday, March 16, 2004 6:38 PM

Sounds to me like they received complaints from people (like this so called band) about the campaign and this is the backlash.

I do not think they can keep you from recommending Firefly on similar DVDs such as westerns & sci fi shows, and if they do, they are only harming themselves as they sell the set themselves.

This is kind of petty on their part, but that is human nature I guess.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

NOOCYTE

Tuesday, March 16, 2004 6:39 PM

Oh, and RK;

Respectfully (really! I don't mean that in the usual "I'm too polite to say Eff You, so I'll say 'respectfully'" way!), I wouldn't be too hard on the Ben Gunn folks. Yes, technically, they are doing what we are doing, but I kinda see a moral (for want of a better term) distinction here. They are trying to get the word out on a creative pursuit which they worked on, and which is a source of livelihood (granted, apparently not a booming livelihood, but the point stands).

I mean, how do you think you would feel if you were in a band, writing material, putting out a CD, starting to see some nibbles....and a concerted activity of the fans of some TV show you'd never heard of just blew you off the radar? The fellow who wrote to me seemed like a decent bloke, he was way polite (a rare commodity outside of FFFandom on the Net these days!), and he had, IMHO, a legitimate beef. I'm for cutting them some slack.

Besides, we really don't know that it was the BGS which outed us. And besides besides, it would've been someone else eventually even if it wasn't them.

So why not let's be gracious about this, and move on to another skirmish line. Mayhap in a month or two, we can quietly and carefully start with a measured trickle of recs, just to put us back on the radar (I keep using that metaphor. I must be stopped).

Eh?

Keep Flyin'!

Department of Redundancy Department

SHINY

Tuesday, March 16, 2004 6:43 PM

How much do you want to bet that those recommendations for the 'Ben Gun Society' were not made by people with a vested interest in selling those CDs? So it's not fair if a bunch of dedicated fans want to promote their great show for no financial gain but it *IS* fair for a no-name band to spam with their own recommendations?

RIVER
Purple elephants are flying.
MAL
Good. Thanks for the update.

NOOCYTE

Tuesday, March 16, 2004 6:51 PM

Your point is well-taken, SHINY. There is a vested interest for the BGS which we, laboring for love, do not share. I do, however, have a soft spot in my heart for Indie bands, trying to make it outside of the Evil Recording Industry Alliance, as a number of my friends are trying to keep that boat afloat. I'm willing to cut them some slack, and mindful that others may not share my bias on this.

And, to be fair, if FF were in the same place it was in last year, and we didn't have a BDM in the works (which is apt to be the single most powerful promotion for the DVD as the buzz gets out [and we will SURELY have a hand in that buzz] ), I might be less disposed to altruism.

But we're not in a bad place right now; we can afford to be gracious. But that's just my opinion, mind you.

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BRITCHICK

Tuesday, March 16, 2004 7:11 PM

Hi All

I think we should seriously cool off trying to post on Amazon.

If we keep on like this all that will happen is people will start to ignore our recommendations on the basis of "oh its them".

The belief that all positive reviews are just part of some crazy fan club effortwill spread to other non-Amazon sites as well.

We've already seen reviews calling us a "cult"!

Let's not ruin all the good work done so far by going over the top!

We've had a good run, let's put our efforts into the next thing, and learn from what happened at Amazon.

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RKLENSETH

Wednesday, March 24, 2004 7:03 PM

Quote:
TV is too small for it, March 23, 2004
Reviewer: bengunnsociety (see more about me) from Los Angeles, CA United States
I learned of Firefly as a result of a run-in with its hardcore fans, admittedly a perfectly legitimate conflict of interest. They really go overboard in their efforts to promote the show (like two major studios being behind it isn't enough), and reading these reviews and particularly noticing the pattern of their usefulness ratings you'd think the show ought to be overrated. But come with an open mind, and look at the facts. The story sounds good enough to give it a try. I rented the first DVD, and now I'm buying the whole series, because it's definitely worth repeat viewing.

If you like good sci-fi movies, like Blade Runner or the Terminator, consider getting this DVD. I'd say Firefly was too good for TV (as I remember it, I quit watching TV a while back), which might explain why it got cancelled. The execution nearly reaches a theatrical movie level, acting is excellent and attention to detail is great. Sci-fi TV has got some pretty advanced shows like Stargate SG-1, but Firefly is just a different level of movie making.

Read the editorial reviews for the story and get this series if it sounds interesting. It will exceed your expectations.

I guess I'll lay off of those Ben Gunn Society after seeing that review.

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.

SBWATCHER

Wednesday, March 24, 2004 8:31 PM

I just read that shiny review today and didn't realize it was the same person/group. "Too good for TV", that's exactly what the Firefly music guy (I forget his name) said about the show in an interview posted here some time ago.

It seems to me that Amazon was stoned when they decided to come up with recommendation lists given the ability to spam in this medium (not everybody works best when they're stoned like Joss ). And, eventually, they will cut out the whole thing.

Don't get me wrong, I believe EVERYONE should watch Firefly, and those who don't do it willingly should be tied to a chair and placed in front of the TV for 15 straight hours - consider it an intervention. However, I firmly believe Serenity will shine on the big screen, and, hopefully, back on TV afterwards, based on it's own merits.

"What's sanguine mean again?"

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