Exploring Anti-Americanism
POSTED BY: Khyron
UPDATED: Monday, April 30, 2007 03:01
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Just a short note before getting back on topic: 'ugly' was in quotes and referred to "The Ugly American", probably a sideways reference and too far back in time for most people here, hateful was in the spirit of that book.
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Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
Except I'm an actual and whole Irish person born, raised and currently living in Ireland who hates potatoes. And who is also a non-fighting hippie unless she is really pressed. And doesn't drink very much either. Sorry Chris!
The Irish are also known to be consumate liars. I should know, being either 1/2 or 1/4, depending on which relative I ask...unless they're lying too.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Quote:So you're Irish in name only, then?
Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
Except I'm an actual and whole Irish person born, raised and currently living in Ireland who hates potatoes. And who is also a non-fighting hippie unless she is really pressed. And doesn't drink very much either.
"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."
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Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Not the US, the PNAC; please pay attention. Big business/old money, represented by particular administrations. (Shadow Government, if you go for those labels)
Laying it out Chrisisall
Call for PirateNews. PirateNews, please pick up any house phone.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
You forgot the rest. When someone brings up the PNAC you're supposed to close your eyes, put your fingers in your ears and chant "La,la,la, I can't hear you" over and over again!
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Quote:Just being a dullard on purpose, DTH!
Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
Sorry Chris!
Silly Chrisisall
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Quote:And your point is...umm, what? There IS no PNAC? They're far from hidden, Geezer.
Originally posted by Geezer:
Call for PirateNews. PirateNews, please pick up any house phone.
Oh, are you being a dullard NOT ON PURPOSE?
My bad Chrisisall
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Originally posted by rue:
Just a short note before getting back on topic: 'ugly' was in quotes and referred to "The Ugly American", probably a sideways reference and too far back in time for most people here, hateful was in the spirit of that book.
Good. So Americans aren't 'ugly' and hateful, by choice.
Now let's work on "But not just ordinariness - ignorance and small mindedness. Americans foster that, celebrate that, memorialize that." I don't get the literary reference in that one.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
[BAnd your point is...umm, what? There IS no PNAC? They're far from hidden, Geezer.
So are the Masons, and so is Bohemian Grove, and several other things which have quite inflated impact on the world in PN's view. Just wondered if he had a conspirancy theory handy for the PNAC.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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"SignyM quotes factoids, which ... are meant to lead one to believe that the US is all about military takeovers" etc
See, I didn't read that into the posting. It pretty straightforwardly explains why the US gets so much focus. Lots of military spending, lots of troops and bases, lots of economic and political leverage exerted all over the world for all to see ... no wonder people notice.
"We spend a lot of money on high-tech weaponry to reduce our own casualties and reduce civilian casualties when we're fighting people who don't care about, and in recent cases actively cause, civilian casualties."
You reason like a salesman - if you spend you're really saving. But the savings you're talking about doesn't play well to the world. "You ought to be grateful it's only 2/3 million mostly women and children killed ..." Meanwhile the rest of the world is thinking "it should have been zero." They're reasoning normally.
"Most overseas military bases are in Germany, Japan, and South Korea. I don't remember us taking any of them over since we gave Germany and Japan back to the Germans and Japanese after WWII. Sure would make a BMW cheaper."
As to the first part of your sentence, the US has bases in so many places they do get widespread global attention.
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jun2003/basestructure2003.pdf
From the report, there are bases in: Antarctica, Antigua and Barbuda, Australia, Austria, Bahamas Islands, Bahrain, Belgium, British Indian Ocean Terr, Canada, Colombia, Cuba, Denmark, Egypt, France, Germany, Greece, Greenland, Honduras, Iceland, Indonesia, Italy, Japan, Kenya, Kwajalein Atoll, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway. Oman, Peru, Portugal, Saint Helena, Singapore, South Korea, Spain, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom and Venezuela.
Not listed are bases in Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Qatar, and Uzbekistan.
The second part I'm guessing is an argument that since the bases have been there for so long they shouldn't count? How does that make sense?
"The UN doing anything about Darfur yet despite our urging?"
Does Sudan still enjoy "normal trade relations" status with the US?
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"Good. So Americans aren't 'ugly' and hateful, by choice." No, they're ignorant, overbearing AND self-righteous.
I can't believe you haven't read the book and don't know to what I was refering. But since I have to be explicit ...
The point of the book was that Americans tend to be more myopic about cultural norms and less knowledgeable about the rest of the world.
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