Exploring Anti-Americanism
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UPDATED: Monday, April 30, 2007 03:01
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Quote:Well, colour me educated!
Originally posted by Causal:
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Transgeneric Chrisisall
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Originally posted by rue:
What ??
SignyM cites facts and you cite ---- self-hatred? Where's the connection?
SignyM quotes factoids, which have no meaning in and of themselves, but are meant to lead one to believe that the US is all about military takeovers, manipulation of the world economy, and our complete control of the UN.
We spend a lot of money on high-tech weaponry to reduce our own casualties and reduce civilian casualties when we're fighting people who don't care about, and in recent cases actively cause, civilian casualties.
Most overseas military bases are in Germany, Japan, and South Korea. I don't remember us taking any of them over since we gave Germany and Japan back to the Germans and Japanese after WWII. Sure would make a BMW cheaper.
We're good at making money. What can I say?
The UN doing anything about Darfur yet despite our urging?
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Quote:Not the US, the PNAC; please pay attention. Big business/old money, represented by particular administrations. (Shadow Government, if you go for those labels)
Originally posted by Geezer:
SignyM quotes factoids, which have no meaning in and of themselves, but are meant to lead one to believe that the US is all about military takeovers, manipulation of the world economy, and our complete control of the UN.
Laying it out Chrisisall
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Originally posted by rue:
"I do like the conceit that you display in thinking you can describe all the 300 million people ..." As do you
Not me. I note that the US has a "multitude of backgrounds and beliefs", which is about as far from your "...Americans, ugly and hateful..." as you can get.
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, and the author of the piece:
Oh. He did it so you can too. He at least used qualifiers, "...many French people...", or singled out groups "intellectuals" within the population as a whole.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Not the US, the PNAC; please pay attention. Big business/old money, represented by particular administrations. (Shadow Government, if you go for those labels)
Laying it out Chrisisall
Call for PirateNews. PirateNews, please pick up any house phone.
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Drifting off-topic here.
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Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
"I do like the conceit that you display in thinking you can describe all the 300 million people ..." As do you
Not me. I note that the US has a "multitude of backgrounds and beliefs", which is about as far from your "...Americans, ugly and hateful..." as you can get.Quote:
, and the author of the piece:
Oh. He did it so you can too. He at least used qualifiers, "...many French people...", or singled out groups "intellectuals" within the population as a whole.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by Causal:
Not to get all overly philosophical on you, but it seems like the trouble is that one can't accurately talk about a large group of people without some amount of generalizing. The danger to that, of course, is that there will obviously always be people who don't fit the generalization. But if one doesn't engage in some degree of generalization, how can one ever talk about a large group?? It's a quandary.
I agree, but calling the entire population of a country "ugly and hateful" reaches beyond just discussion and into prejudice. If I were to say that all members of a certain ethnic group were "shiftless and lazy" I'd get criticized, and rightly so. "Ugly and hateful" or "shiftless and lazy" are not the comments you use, to quote Rue, "in the spirit of a debate". They're what you use in rants and hate speech.
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Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
Not to get all overly philosophical on you, but it seems like the trouble is that one can't accurately talk about a large group of people without some amount of generalizing. The danger to that, of course, is that there will obviously always be people who don't fit the generalization. But if one doesn't engage in some degree of generalization, how can one ever talk about a large group?? It's a quandary.
I agree, but calling the entire population of a country "ugly and hateful" reaches beyond just discussion and into prejudice. If I were to say that all members of a certain ethnic group were "shiftless and lazy" I'd get criticized, and rightly so. "Ugly and hateful" or "shiftless and lazy" are not the comments you use, to quote Rue, "in the spirit of a debate". They're what you use in rants and hate speech.
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Well, yes, some terms of generalization are more offensive than others. "Ugly and hateful" would go on that list, I think. I don't think of myself as "ugly and hateful" (though I'm sure some enterprising soul could find a comment from another thread that, when taken out of context, would make me seem ugly and hateful).
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Irish peeps fight a lot, drink a lot of beer or ale, and like potatoes. The steroetype is true, and holds FOR ALL OF THEM MICKS!!!!
Originally posted by Causal:
one can't accurately talk about a large group of people without some amount of generalizing.
I should know.
Irish Chrisisall
Except I'm an actual and whole Irish person born, raised and currently living in Ireland who hates potatoes. And who is also a non-fighting hippie unless she is really pressed. And doesn't drink very much either. Sorry Chris!
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