Anti FOX comments and subjects

POSTED BY: Darksyde
UPDATED: Monday, March 15, 2004 01:05
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ASTRIANA

Friday, March 12, 2004 7:19 PM

Already don't have cable. Have the DVDs. Don't watch TV much anymore at all. Just saying we could put all this energy into promoting the movie, making it even more wildly successful than it already will be, and getting Serenity back in the sky. Yes, FOX horribly mishandled the series once it was on the air; doesn't mean we shouldn't be at least a little grateful the show ever made it TO the air. If not for the initial handling - before the mishandling - we would never have known this show existed.

"I'm jus' sayin'..." *points to the DVDs* "...Firefly!"

~A~

...I'm still free,
You can't take the sky from me.

INITIO101

Friday, March 12, 2004 7:24 PM

Even if Fox retained the television rights to Firefly, I don't think that's a big issue for the Serenity movie or Universal's rights in the franchise. Presumably, Universal has good attorneys on the case when the movie rights were bought from Fox.

At the very least, the agreement will have established an ongoing license for Universal to to utilize the copyrights and trademarks to Firefly in the movie and any other properties in perpetuity. That's how most licensing agreements work. Although Fox still will retain an interest in the Firefly franchise, I'm sure Universal has negotiated what are called the "derivative" rights in Firefly in order to properly create the film and any other ancillary projects.

GHOULMAN

Friday, March 12, 2004 7:45 PM

... MY but my rants are spelled badly.

I have devined that TV is dead and all we are watching now are the vapours floating from the carcus. Think about it - can TV produce story? Is TV even willing to produce story? I'm thinkin'... nah.

I grok your meaning Astriana, though I'm far more bitter about the business and far less forgiving of ignorant suits with a license to frell up the creative folks we are actually the fans of... and because I'm a writer and am trying to quit smoking. But I digress...

You think Joss felt badly about Firefly? Howabout when Joss had to go from his mid-season meeting about Angel to his incredible production crew... and tell them they were now without jobs? Again! This isn't fair to anyone, Joss, the crew, the actors, the fans. Even the TV stations themselves are asking why cancel a good show? The signs that TV has crumbled under it's own corporate weight and slack minded brain fodder.

Funny, but I wonder just how many people are like Astriana and have left TV for better things?

INVISIBLEGREEN

Friday, March 12, 2004 8:17 PM

Actually, I believe Universal did also aquire the TV rights to "Firefly," though I am not certain.

However, everyone here seems to be confusing FOX, Twentieth Century Fox, and Fox Home Entertainment. Sure, they are all sister companies owned by the same parent company (Rupert Murdoch's NewsCorp), and "Firefly" was involved with them all, but decisions of one branch rarely effect the others.
BtVS and Angel are produced by both Twentieth Century Fox, and Fox Home Entertainment does the DVD, but they have never aired on the FOX network (although BtVS reruns are shown four times on weekdays on the Fox cable channel FX).

KARENKAY

Friday, March 12, 2004 10:19 PM

hey ghoulman?? i had not heard or read 'grok' in years. i had to go pull out my copy of stranger in a strange land to make sure i was remembering right.
are you a heinlein fan? i just finished the moon is a harsh mistress and thought you know those loonies could be the browncoats ancestors.

TANSTAAFL!!

"Huh."

ECMORGAN69

Friday, March 12, 2004 10:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Knibblet:
If this is true, it is a dark, dark day for both browncoats and the arts.

Rarely have I seen a greater ability to snuff creativity, mishandle talent and generally cock-up a good concept than that of Fox executives.

If there's a way to take a great series and kill it with Niska-like horrors, Fox will find that way and implement it with extreme prejudice.

Of course, if there's a way to insult the viewer's intelligence, make a random channel surfer squirm with discomfort and generally plow the name of humanity through the muck ... Fox will also find that way and implement it with extreme glee.

Shoes, socks and fuzzy pink bunny slippers, I hope you're wrong about who would own any future tv show.

"Just keep walkin, preacher man."

Damn, I wish I could improve on or add to what you said, but it was just too perfect.

They can have my "Firefly" DVDs when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers....

Oh yeah,

you, FOX TV!!

LJC

Friday, March 12, 2004 10:49 PM

20th Century Fox produced the show--they are selling the DVDs. (also, 20th Century Fox had previously partnered with ME to produce Buffy and Angel as well)

FOX network, however, is different.

20th Century Fox does probably still have the TV rights--but they can sell to any buyer. They were, in fact, the ones who pushed for Joss to shop the show around back when FOX pulled it.

20th Century Fox = good guys
FOX tv network = bad guys

--
Some take the high road. Some take the low road.
And some just go screaming down the highway, dropping flaming bits of wreckage.

ECGORDON

Sunday, March 14, 2004 1:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by KarenKay:
hey ghoulman?? i had not heard or read 'grok' in years. i had to go pull out my copy of stranger in a strange land to make sure i was remembering right.
are you a heinlein fan? i just finished the moon is a harsh mistress and thought you know those loonies could be the browncoats ancestors.

TANSTAAFL!!

"Huh."

I would assume ghoulman is a Heinlein fan, and he's at the top of my list of authors as well. And I know there's got to be at least one other of his fans around here too. Geezer has Heinlein's Naval Academy picture as his avatar.

Don't know if this has been mentioned here yet, but did you know that Tim Minear has been hired to write a screenplay for The Moon is a Harsh Mistress?

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

KARENKAY99

Sunday, March 14, 2004 2:06 AM

no i didn't know!! i think harsh mistress would make a great movie. i'll be there.
have you read it? i know i sort of had firefly on the brain as i was reading but i could really picture this as being the beginning of the firefly world. i think it was set in 2075.
i'm reading a book of ray bradbury short stories now. the wilderness was written in 1952 and is set in the year 2003. bradbury thought we'd be eating food pills and traveling to mars. a little off i guess. still a fun story because it's about women traveling to the new frontier mars to be with their men comparing it all to the women in the wagon trains of a hundred years before. i guess space really is the next frontier.

Huh.

ECGORDON

Sunday, March 14, 2004 2:48 AM

I've not only read Harsh Mistress many times (I've lost count), I've read all of his stuff, novels and short stories. "Stranger" was the first SF book I ever read, and I still like it too. In case you haven't figured it out, my username of "ecgordon" is the main character from Glory Road, and I even named my website from something in a Heinlein novel.

Pardon the plug, but if you'd like to know exactly what I think of Heinlein, take a look at some of the articles I've written about him for my website - http://templetongate.tripod.com/rahmain.htm

I've written a Firefly review too - http://templetongate.tripod.com/firefly.htm

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

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