Public Safety Must Trump Individual's Safety

POSTED BY: ShinyEd
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Originally posted by JonnyQuest:
DTH, I've warned you before about wandering around in the RWED unprotected. You're too good of soul to be found among such as these...

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Oh, quit worrying! I'm fine

I've been making light of this subject so far, but there is a serious issue here - the stigma associated with mental illness. Mental illness is not talked about. No one wants to know about it. No one wants to deal people who have it. No one who has it wants to admit they have it and no one related to them wants to admit it either.

Being mentally ill can lose you friends, make you a stranger in your community and get you fired from your job - all because people automatically assume it makes you dangerous or unhinged. When people think of mental illness the first thing that comes to mind is acts like the shooting at Virginia Tech - violent, mindless acts that leave people dead and wounded.

But that's only one tiny fraction of the reality. Statistically, one fifth of the Virginia Tech student population has or has had a mental illness. Hell, that'll go up now that the campus en masse will be facing shock, depression and possibly a few cases of PTSD. Reactionary comments about "locking up the crazies for the public good" won't do anyone any favours. It's lumping all mentally ill people in one big, black box and shoving them out of the way where they can't be seen. It trivialises a hugely complicated issue. And it's unacceptable.

People facing mental health issues need to know that there are people they can trust. They need to know that they will be treated with dignity and respect. They need to know that their cases will be evaluated fairly and that they will have a voice in their treatment. If they don't believe those things, they won't get help. Would you go to your doctor if you thought he might tell your boss you were unstable? Would you visit a psychiatrist if you thought social services were going to take away your kids?

Cleary something went horribly, tragically wrong with the care (or lack thereof) Cho was receiving. It's awful and it's something that needs to be looked at. But comments like this aren't going to help the situation one iota. They're just going to make it even harder for mental health practitioners to do their job.

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"This is ALL an outgrowth of Political Correctness run fucking amok...."

A majority opinion of the U.S. Supreme Court in 1887 written by Justice Harlan said: "If therefore, a statute purporting to have been enacted to protect the public health, the public morals, or the public safety, has no real or substantial relation to those objects, or is a palpable invasion of rights secured by the fundamental law [the constitution], it is the duty of the courts to so adjudge, and thereby to give effect to the constitution" (Mugler v. Kansas, 123 U.S. 623 at 661).

1979 ADDINGTON v. TEXAS held A "clear and convincing" standard of proof is required by the Fourteenth Amendment in a civil proceeding brought under state law to commit an individual involuntarily for an indefinite period to a state mental hospital. Pp. 425-433.

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Originally posted by fredgiblet:
Am I the only one who suddenly can't see anything but the original post?

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"SHINYED is tagged as offensive. My IP is 65.15.56.60" - it's the link to his profile on every post but the first one, which might be the problem.

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"If I were a Nazi, someone would defend my constitutional right to hate Jews. If I were a Klansman, someone would defend my rights to hate blacks. It's a funny place, this world. Hate has rights. Love has none." - Jeff, Murphy's Boy

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WOW! Just wow. This looked like a lot of fun. Too bad I'm a vampire and I missed it. Look at all of you, holding hands and uniting when you're usually yelling at each other. Thanks. Seriously. Me and my buds at work got a big laugh out of this thread.

Thanks shinyed for your scary Orwellian post. That point of view scares the shit out of me, but it's nice to see that even people who I thought would agree with you on this think it's nutty. I respect a lot of your opinions, and I do think that political correctness is out of fucking control, but I don't want to live in a totalitarian country as a solution. It surely doesn't fit the crime.

And Desktop Hippie. I hope you read this because I know we don't agree with a whole lot but I really liked your last post. I was going to pick out things in particular that I liked about it, but because it's one of the few posts I read in RWED where I really can't find anything that I disagree with at all, I'll just leave it as a great post overall.

Oh yeah, and tell JQuest we're not that scary. Maybe I'll visit a picture thread and try to put a scare in him.



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I wonder if the NASA gunman was wearing a diaper?

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US politician bombs US school - 45 dead



It's relevant that the worst school slaughter in USA was perped by an elected govt official, using a controlled demolition of preinstalled explosives. Sound familiar?

This US politician also became the world's first suicide car bomber.

Virginia Tech Massacre is kindergarten compared to what an elected member of a government school board did to little children in Michigan USA.

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bauerle/disaster.htm

On the morning of May 18, Kehoe first killed his wife and then set his farm buildings on fire. As fire fighters arrived at the farm, an explosion devastated the north wing of the school building, killing many of the people inside. Kehoe used a detonator to ignite dynamite and hundreds of pounds of pyrotol which he had secretly planted inside the school over the course of many months. As rescuers started gathering at the school, Kehoe drove up, stopped, and detonated a bomb inside his shrapnel-filled vehicle, killing himself and the school superintendent, and killing and injuring several others. During the rescue efforts, searchers discovered an additional 500 pounds (230 kg) of unexploded dynamite and pyrotol planted throughout the basement of the school's south wing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

“Your consistently correct attitude and demeanor ensured the ultimate success of this program. Your leadership and perseverance was instrumental in fostering a sense of teamwork and initiative among fellow staff members and airport stakeholders alike. We Protect: Dept of Defense Facilities and Military Installations."
-McNeil Technologies, CIA employer of sister of Korean VA Tech shooter
www.mcneilsecurity.com

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Blame George DWI Bush. He was legally in charge of the Virginia Tech Police Dept:

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Sources: Feds Ordered VA Police To Stand Down

Local authorities were told to take no action to pursue killer

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Friday, April 20, 2007

Police and EMT workers at Virginia Tech tell us that campus police were given a federal order to stand down and not pursue killer Cho Seung-Hui as Monday's bloodshed unfolded. Though wishing to remain anonymous for obvious reasons, we have received calls from police and EMT's who tell us that a stand down order was in place, and this is also confirmed by eyewitness Matt Kazee, who is a Blacksburg local. Kazee talked to local EMT's and police who told him the same thing, that the order was to wait until federal back up arrived before any action was taken. This explains the complete non-response of the police in the two hour gap between Cho's first two murders and the wider rampage that would follow later that morning. The policy of federal control over the University was put in place following a previous shooting in August 2006 in which a police officer and a hospital security guard were killed.

www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/200407standdown.htm



Strange Virginia Tech Coincidences

Kurt Nimmo | April 20, 2007

As “News Commentary” on the Truthseeker website notes, Virginia Tech is an “active partner” with DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. In addition, the CIA actively recruits VT students, holding events the spook agency bills as “career information” sessions.
www.darpa.mil

“News Commentary” claims “Blacksburg, VA houses a US government ABOVE TOP SECRET underground laboratory (in the side of a local Blacksburg mountain) that develops in conjunction with DARPA, weapons such as human robotic mind control programming.” A Google search, however, turns up no mention of mind control experiments, of course, but there is plenty of reference to the “ Deep Underground Science and Engineering Laboratory … 7,000 feet under Butt Mountain” in Blacksburg.
www.phys.vt.edu/news/dusel102504.html

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