Forty-Second Floor: Time To Work On Our Nine Times Tables.
POSTED BY: CallMeSerenity
UPDATED: Thursday, April 26, 2007 04:39
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Quote:The Nazis fought the Communist party in Germany and were socialist in little more than name. I'd suggest a history book but I'm not sure your care worker has the time to read it for you.
Originally posted by citizen:Quote:
Originally posted by XeroGravity:
Citizen:
If I hate "Marxism" I can't possibly be a Nazi. Neo or otherwise.
I'm not going to defend Marxism, I've already told you I'm not a Marxist, if spelling it out any plain enough to that shrivelled lump of pig ejaculate you call a brain isn't enough I'm not going to continually repeat it.
Quote:You are kidding right?
Look at Bill Gates. Humble origins, no blue-blood, didn't have money.
His parents were rolling in money and had more connections than you could care to count. Humble origins? His parents bought him an $800,000 beachhouse in his early 20s, if only we all had such humble beginnings.
America has the most prevalent class system of any westernised nation, sticking your fingers in your ears and refusing the developed worlds lowest social mobility doesn't make it go away. Scandinavia has more equal oppertunity than the US for crying out loud.
Now I'm done with you, go away you foul piece of distended rectum.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
First.. I take issue with your perspective on history. WW2 was the struggle between Marxist Germany and Marxism in general at it's outset. Not a popular take on history but true. Who would be the supreme commisar of the socialist utopia that was to come? Would it be Herr Hitler? Would it be Tsar Stalin? In either case, other Western countries were simply dominoes that have to be toppled and made socialist thru conquest (or, as it's practiced in modern times, subversion).
Second... 80 percent of all the millionaires in America don't even have a high school diploma.
High School dropouts. People "doomed" to do hard labor in industrial plants for low wages, or flip burgers in McDonalds. Alas, unable to escape the life they were born into, they did their jobs, scraped together pennies on the side refusing to accept their pre-ordained destiny of hopeless toil at a low wage. Once they had enough pennies squirelled away they opened up a business of their own manufacturing this or that part in their own (damn you classist capitalist dogs! damn you)
The inustrial-slave started his own little garage-based industrial plant, the burger-flipper prepared fine-dining quisine from everywhere on the map in his wildly popular backwoods 5-star, etc.
Hard work, 16 hour days, 7 days a week for years on end. Only in a capitalist country. Once you're poor enough and hungry enough for long enough the desire is born.
If you have an overwhelming desire to do something and you would rather die than not succeed at it, you'll succeed. But only in a capitalist country. At least in my country. Perhaps (as you've stated) you do have more money than me, but I'm one of those people struggling to make my lil' shoestring dream of business turn me into the next bazillionairre. My ambitions are noble. I don't want wealth or success for the sake of money. Once there, I don't won't wealth cuz I want to squash little people or parade around as the proud cock of the roost in expensive sports cars. I'll never glow with pride as I brag about my various mansions and yachts cuz I'll never own such things.
What does a capitalist like me want?
I wanna eat good food (perhaps stuff grown in my own garden). I want to find me a good woman and make babies, philosophize about trivial crap as the wine bottle goes empty and the fireplace embers burn out, I don't want to be in debt to anyone or have others direct my future, etc.
If I get a hankering to becoming a buck-nekkid oil-painter of stick-man ninjas locked in mortal combat with highly intelligent shades of the color blue on
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PS - I have no clue how or why that is all is weird boldism or whatver the hell the opposite of "boldism" would be..
"weakism" ?
weird fluke of the [REPLY] feature. I'm fated by the gods for such oddness.
-XG
No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.
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Quote:The first bloody half sensible thing you've said.
Originally posted by XeroGravity:
I wanna eat good food (perhaps stuff grown in my own garden). I want to find me a good woman and make babies, philosophize about trivial crap as the wine bottle goes empty and the fireplace embers burn out, I don't want to be in debt to anyone or have others direct my future, etc.
Quote:look, I don't want to debate it with you, but check it out for yourself. The US has the worst social mobility of any developed nation. The UK, the most capitalist nation of Europe, has the worst social mobility of Europe, including the Scandinavian and Ex-Soviet bloc nations. Pure unrestrained capitalism doesn't give equal oppertunity to succeed. It is the very anthisis of it. The fact that pure Communism is against personal success beyond your peers is neither here nor there.
I'm the guy who has been squirreling away his pennies and laboring ad nauseum till I could be in a place to go for it.
You'll find if you really look at it that the more you meld capitalist economics with socialist social theory the better the prospects of the little guy are. The Scandinavian countries are amongst the most socialist in Europe, though still with a capitalist economy. The poorest there have more chance of succeeding than anywhere else in Europe, and just about any country in Europe has a higher social mobility than the US. Look up the figures for international social mobility if you don't believe.
Now really, I am done, this thread is not for this. I won't reply again.
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Don't reply again. I gladly give you the right of bowing out from the debate all unresponsive (this is too beneath you).
But I'm telling you this plain and simple. Hurl your "tele" out the nearest window into the ocean. How hard can it be? You're British... sceptered island in a silvery sea. The BBC is the most anti-American propagandist pipeline ever to exist in modern age. Hitler lost the war, but the Marxist cause still soldiers on. It found it's voice in that hideous station.
Thank the powers that be we threw you SOBs out of our country a couple centuries back. Don't get me wrong.. I love the UK. I love the people, the culture, the general degree of stimulating conversation from anyone and everyone you meet. But this whole hatred of American way of life never seems to quit with some elements. Weird love-hate thing. Always the same background though.. provincial types who've never actually been here and watch the BBC morning noon and night.
I tell you defiantly.. NO! You can't have your colonies back. Lose the BBC and maybe we'll erect a 7 inch tall statue of King George in the foothills of Wisconsin (not quite sure wisconsin has hills, and if they do, do they actually have foots attached?).
Your view of my country is skewed beyond all imagination. You want to see the real America? Come over here with the British equivalent of chump-change in your pocket (I dunno, maybe a 1/2 inch thick stack of paper with pictures of your queen... actually, I'm not sure if you went Euro and metric yet but I hope not). Strap on a backpack, hop a bus to anywhere. Mix it up with the real people, go on a walk-about, see it with your own eyes. See the truth. Our "downtrodden masses" you see on the news will make the upwardly mobile socialist socialites of Scandinavia look like paupers. Their biggest concerns are how to cope with tennis elbow and chapped lips and whethere or not to order take-out from a Chinese or Thai restaurant. It's nothing like you seem to think it is (and trust me I've been all over the damned place from coast to coast - "well travelled" is an understatement).
Citizen... you, sadly, are completely and totally indoctrinated into alot of Marxist propaganda. We don't have real poverty here. In fact, the definition of poverty has been hijacked by Marxist elites with Manhattan penthouses to fit the way you think of it. Go to a war torn 3rd-world country, then come visit America. Tell me if we're as classist as seem to think we are. Nobody here is starving. Literacy in the high 90 percentiles. No police state (not yet at least). Becoming more Orwellian though.. sad truth. Cameras everywhere on every major highway. But..
Work aplenty. Anyone who wants to work, no matter how screwed up their life is, can ALWAYS find work and an income. Some people though, choose not to. No matter how many opportunities you throw at them some people choose to never a lift a finger to improve their lot in life. Hell... if America is so oppressive to the lower classes, then why are we being inundated morning, noon, and night by an endless swell of foreign people who want to come here?
They should be running in the opposite direction, trying to get as far away from us. Ask anyone from any other country anywhere on the face of this blue-green rock hurling thru space which country they would most like to live in if they were exiled from their home.
You already know the 1st answer to that question.
-XG
No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.
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I have been to America.
The numbers don't lie, I've seen the raw data and I'm not working on the BBC's say so.
Stop looking at the rest of the world through anti-non-American filter of fox news and leave me alone, and seriously stop lying about me.
Quote:I'll go take a census in the middle east.
They should be running in the opposite direction, trying to get as far away from us. Ask anyone from any other country anywhere on the face of this blue-green rock hurling thru space which country they would most like to live in if they were exiled from their home.
You already know the 1st answer to that question.
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Citizen, guess what I had for lunch today?
Curry!
It was divine. A new Indian restaurant opened up in town.
Serenity,
President of The Juggled Gosling Chatroom
Bride8
Wielder of the Magic Frying Pan of Sleep
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When you do your census make sure to go right into the heart of Baghdad, even in the high-profile areas where the violence occurs (less than 2 percent of the country is it?).
You think that war is about America's insatiable appetite for oil. That's the line the BBC (Al Jazeera for the Western world) has spewed out every night over the years.. a long slow drone of propaganda. Trust me.. people over there monitor all the major news stations so it's no mystery what each country's news outlets are saying (that includes the soldiers hunkered down in their respective bases). Ask the Iraqis what they think it's about... find someone direct from Baghdad and ask them. The answer is something you'll never hear on the BBC. If they could get visas to the US (which sadly they can't), there'd be 49.9 million Iraqis in the US atm.
But you'd never ask cuz you don't want to know. Your mind is made up, so lets not bother you with the facts.
-XG
See I knew it. You could never let me have the last word. Oh btw.. the "Earth-that-was" just sucks.
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Ok, can we stop prodding it and ignore it now? I'm getting very bored and its a pain in the ass having to scroll through all of its dribbling to get to some decent conversation.
I really thing it is time to put in a request to Haken to get it deleted and blocked, is that possible?
Ah well, what were we talking about? You know i haven't had a curry in so many many many months. Now craving one, with that almond naan bread stuff... yummy!
ok,we have to go find an indian place at D*C. And to that end - I went and got a second job! My first (trial type) shift is on saturday - a hen party, bapstism of fire if ever i heard one! but hopefully it will put paid to my dithering over whether i can actually go or not! wheee!
Isn't sanity really a one trick pony, anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking! But when you're good and crazy...ooh hoo hoo hoo... the skys the limit!
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Oh, that is good news!!! What will you be doing?
There's a lovely indian restaurant within walking distance from the hotels at D*C. Been there both years. I must go back.
Yes, we're done prodding it. There have already been a couple of requests made to Haken. Come join us on the 43rd floor! You're not american, so you have no probe to fear.
Serenity,
President of The Juggled Gosling Chatroom
Bride8
Wielder of the Magic Frying Pan of Sleep
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