Thoroughly disgusted
POSTED BY: jwhedonaddict
UPDATED: Friday, April 20, 2007 09:59
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you know,? it makes me sad that everytime I stumble into these "Real World" threads, I only see people insulting each other.
you all have a lot in common, yet insult each other for your differences. do you really want everyone to think exactly like you?
I disagree with some friends I've known for 17 years. it doesn't degenerate into name callin'.
each of us needs to face facts.
no "leader" will ever agree 100% with our views.
Democrats can have morally corrupt leaders who teach the world that adultery is cool, and support the poor getting poorer. and castrate our military to the point that we look like a target.
Republicans can have warmongers who pay their friends over the unknown to "put the wrong things right" and support the rich getting richer, and build our military to the point that we look like bullies.
Is there a middle ground?
will we as a people ever stop insulting each other long enough to find it?
I don't know. the answer is in a third or forth or fifth party. People not living here in the US... you really have enough time to think about our decisions? the decisions of your leadership effect the world so little that you worry about us?
sorry, I hate RWE. everything degenerates into name calling. and each side yells at the other for namecalling just before doing it themselves. People pretend to be superior, right before the "baby killer"/ "warmonger"/ "idiot"/ "pussy"/ "cocksucker" comes out.
if any of you could bother to look for "common ground" with your "enemies" ......... progress may be found.
sorry, I'm a troll, insult me. call me a moron. call me a liar.
Imagine if we all agreed that neither side was right.........
no, that'd never work.......
TJH
"I will stare from the window
At the shapes in the rain." -Beyond You - Afraid of Sunlight -Marillion
visit WWW.Marillion.com for a better way of life.
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Originally posted by Jadehand:
the answer is in a third or forth or fifth party. People not living here in the US... you really have enough time to think about our decisions? the decisions of your leadership effect the world so little that you worry about us?
I know this isn't your point here, but I just gotta say you do make two or three good points here.
"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Thanks Six.
I'm not sure what my point is, I just want people to think. you don't have to give me 12 points of reference, or 20 people that agree with you, just tell me what you think, and why, without 4th grade namecalling and "my point of view is better than yours." you don't even have to agree with me, just explain clearly (without insults) why you don't.
Share information without degredation.
I've seen people do this here, but they tend to slip into namecalling after 3-5 posts. Usually the folk that are most opposed to namecalling jump towards it first. "you called someone a nazi, you're an idiot."
What happened to, "I see where you're coming from, but I read here that...., and I tend to believe X."
followed by, "I can understand you believe X, however I read here (link) that this was more accurate.
*sigh* keep in mind that every opinion is... well, opinionated. I know mine is. if you think I'm wrong, "teach me right now, show me how." without belittling me. that only makes me want to fight.
Share information, not attacks.
may we all find a 'common ground' and grow.
"I will stare from the window
At the shapes in the rain." -Beyond You - Afraid of Sunlight -Marillion
visit WWW.Marillion.com for a better way of life.
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I posted this thread simply to voice my own opinion, NOT to attack anyone. I respect the opinion of the man who wrote Bush the letter in the first place, even though I don't agree with it. I even respect Bush for coming even though I never had any intention of going to hear him speak, but I wouldn't protest it either simply because the idea gives me the wiggins (regardless of how I feel about him, I realize he is on occasion as capable of good deeds as anyone). And why exactly does that mean I wouldn't protest pedophiles or whatever for living next door to me? That makes no sense. It only means someone is so obsessed with attacking that their losing sight of everything else. Bullies are so sad to me.
I hoped in posting this thread and NOT attacking anyone, I might actually be treated with the same respect. Obviously I was wrong. To be clear, I don't despise all Republicans, just the ones I don't trust (I probably wouldn't vote for him, but even if John McCain were to win the presidency I would at least feel it was a giant leap above Bush). The same with any Democrat, and sometimes politicians in general. They're ALL capable of screwing us over for their own benefit, or the benefit of their friends.
You like Bush? That's fine. I don't understand it, but I respect your opinion. I haven't said who I'm rooting for (mostly because I haven't really decided yet...too early) but I hope that when (and if) I do, things will have changed around here and we can learn to treat each other with a little respect.
I appreciate those who tried to act as mediator here. Thank you.
Edit:"Our fate has to be our own, or we're nothing."--Angel
"In Joss We Trust."
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Hey Jade. You're right. All of it. I've posted similar stuff, but I know that I've been called a troll in here on more than one occasion, and though I believe the individuals who called me a troll are just as capable of trollish behavior as I am, I know that I'm a major offender of this on occasion. Kinda hard not to resort to that considering the subject matter.
That's why we've learned for several generations from movies and TV not to discuss religion or politics with anyone. It's not nearly as easy to remain polite and civil towards one another when you're talking about rocking the core values of other people.
JWHEDONADDICT - I am not a Bush fan and I believe he will go down in the books as one of the worst presidents we've ever had. Demoncrats still scare the shit out of me though.
It's time for a third party. "A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:
Originally posted by BionicBatman:
I really am sick and tired of people saying Bush is a bad president. To all those people who say that: You be president and see how well you do when terrorists attack your country and you have constant hate messages and people always questioning your intelligence! The weight of America is a pretty big burden.
You're right. I'm president of my own fan club, and boy does that get tough when I have to defend my positions in here and I got everybody in RWED hating on me.
Yeah, I'm talking about Rue and Cit. You terrorists of president Jack's opinions! Too bad I don't got me an army or you'd find yourself invaded tomorrow, much like you'd have your needles invading my skin tomorrow if you had your own army.
Great post! Rue & Citizen are the real trolls in here, like heroin addicts, always needing to inject their 2-twitted cents in on every discussion.
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What, no insult at me for a smartass intended bit of humor, for shame, i'm so grieved 
Seriously though Jade, I try, on any given day to present a point as rationally as possible with a minimum of slagging, but I'm just as human as the next guy, overall though, I think RWED isn't half as awful as most net forums where this kind of stuff is discussed, not even close.
The problem with finding common ground with someone else is that they have to want to as well, and sadly that is not often the case.
As for multiple political parties, I say hell yes, the more the merrier, but I don't think hearing that from an anarchist is likely to be of any comfort to you.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Jadehand - i appreciate your post. Sometimes a voice of reason can calm one of these flame wars - unfortunately sometimes nothing helps.
I like to visit RWED on occasion for the "reasonable discussions" that sometime take place. Plus, it is a place to share information on current events. I have, however, noticed the increased amount of angry venting that goes on here.
Venting, ranting, raving or just plain arguing can be an emotional release, which often relieves stress for the person venting – then again, I think some posters are simply jerking us around for fun – Sure, people disagree – some folks enjoy argument for arguments sake – (my brother-in-law has made a life’s work of the art of disagreement) – so it’s going to happen – especially when it comes to politics and religion –
The way I see it is like this, we’re left with two options – ignore this part of the board and continue to enjoy the discussions pertaining to science fiction, movies, television and mostly Firefly (the reason we all came here in the first place), or present our views and opinions of current events in a rational way – of course that’s not to say that there aren’t times when, just like my bro-in-law, that I feel like punching someone’s lights out – but the virtual world is pretty good at preventing bloodshed….
I know I’m guilty of Bush-bashing – and I won’t apologize for it – I have watched this guy’s rise to power ever since his daddy gave him some west-Texas oil fields to play with – What he did to the education system here in Texas was a disgrace and, IMHO, he has done absolutely nothing to benefit the well being of the citizens of this country. But that’s just my opinion, and I will do my best not to denigrate those here who think his shit don’t stink… (but I’m here to tell you it really does…)
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Quote:So I'm the one following you around just to attack you and your the one popping up only to tell me you'd kill me if you had an army?
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Yeah, I'm talking about Rue and Cit.
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Is this the definition of Hypocrisy?
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Now seriously, this MUST be the definition of hypocrisy right here:
Quote:Ahh, I see, I'm the real troll here and you're the one posting merely to make an unsolicited insult?
Originally posted by ShinyEd:
Great post! Rue & Citizen are the real trolls in here, like heroin addicts, always needing to inject their 2-twitted cents in on every discussion.
I'm fairly sure I've never jumped into a thread to merely post an outright insult to someone for no reason, but hey I'm sure not posting just to be insulting would seem trollish to those that consider that the norm eh
.Because to normal people such a thing is what trolls do, get it
.More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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