Bad Firefly Review at Amazon!
POSTED BY: rklenseth
UPDATED: Thursday, November 4, 2004 18:33
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Originally posted by canttakesky:
This lady does make a point. Maybe Firefly should come with the following warning:
"Firefly may offend people who believe that despotic, centralized governments with strict social and economic regimentation are desirable. People who subscribe to autocratic ideologies such as facism or nazism will no doubt take offense at this show, as totalitarianism itself is portrayed as one of the main villains."
Can't Take My Gorram Sky
You forgot things like Communist and other socialistic government styles.
Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.
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I agree with her that it's kind of like an anti-Star Trek. However, I might point out that we really haven't been told the exact details of the Civil War that took place. What was it about? What started it? How long did it last? Where was Mal when it started? All important questions to determine the significance of the war. I might also point out that the Federation is not exactly seen as "evil" as much as it is sort of like Orwell's big brother.
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It's TOTALLY the anti-Trek! I look at the way our blatant militarism and empire building is totally whitewashed by the mainstream press and I get to thinking, "What if Star Trek were a propaganda film for a much less squeeky clean regime, than we're shown?" Well, we'd have Firefly, that's what.
(Do I need to appologize for calling our current U.S. foreign policy "militaristic" and "empire building?" Gosh, I hope not. I hope the supporters of George W. are at least honest with themselves enough to be out about that.)
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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the fact that she's from madison, wi is a pretty good indication that she's probably an extreme leftist. being from that area, i know that madison tends to be pretty crazy in that regard.
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Originally posted by BlackoutNights:
I might point out that we really haven't been told the exact details of the Civil War that took place. What was it about? What started it?
I thought it was made clear in the show that it was about unifying the planets under one government, versus leaving them independently governed.
For example: Browncoats are known as independents, and various other people make comments about being pro-unification
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Reviewer: Elizabeth Durack ... from Madison, WI
Well there's the problem folks. She's from Mad-town Sconnie.
Madison is home to the University of Wisconsin and its greatest claims to fame are the invention of the beer bong and drunken pontificating. You would be hard-pressed to find a sober person amongst this student population.
Actually, those Madtown folks did come up with "The Onion" so a handful aren't complete blathering idiots.
"Just keep walkin, preacher man."
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Sure unifying the planets was a part of it, but that's not the whole story. It never is. Who or what planet(s) started the Federation? And which planet or planets were most opposed? There's a big story there. We're, luckily, hearing the story about a rogue smuggler who fought on the losing side. I would love to hear more about the war.
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I have to partially defend this woman. After seeing "Train Job" when it aired as the pilot I had a similar reaction. It struck me as pro-confederacy, anti-government, and had amoral (or nearly so) thieves as the protagonists. While I would never have criticized the whole series based on this observation, I didn't particularly like it an didn't watch another episode until "Out of Gas."
"Out of Gas" was awesome and brought my overall opinion to neutral. I didn't get to see another episode before the series was cancelled. I was given the DVD set as a gift and was converted in full upon watching the series in order.
That said, I must condemn her political labelling, which is unfortunately too common in the United States (I cannot speak for other nations, but I hope they are not so label happy).
Why would the right-wing be pre-disposed towards this show? Why wouldn't the left-wing? The show had legalized prostitution, an inter-racial relationship, tolerance of same-sex couplings, equality of women in employment and on the battlefield. While not all conservatives are against these, they are hardly on the 'right-wing' platform and surely not on any extreme right stance that could be characterized as having paranoia.
If anything I thought the show had a rather libertarian feel. This notion that you are either (a) or (b) is getting ridiculous. The polarization of the American political system is at the point that the suggestion of a 'third way' is tantamount to treason or something. I guess it is the "If your not with us, your against us" attitude.
I gave up on any politicized discussion on the internet (except when I get really angry or foolish) because I got tired of being called a 'communist' everytime I suggested that 'social justice' is a valid concern or that I was 'anti-woman' because I believe a fetus is a living person.
I don't mean to upset or offend anyone with this post. Just expressing myself or maybe I having one of my foolish episodes. I am just so tired of the rhetoric that passes for political and intellectual discussion, it leaks into everything for me, even apparantly my enjoyment of all-things Firefly.
Arawaen
Um, I'm lost. Uh, I'm Angry. And I'm Armed.
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Captain "Mal" is a bad guy who thinks he's a good guy
Which is why his words in an early version of the pilot include "Score one for the bad guys," and his actions include returning much-needed medicine to the poor, enduring torture and death for it, and never once looking back. I think I understand the character a lot better now. Thanks, Ms. Durack!
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Arawaen wrote:
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Why would the right-wing be pre-disposed towards this show? Why wouldn't the left-wing? The show had legalized prostitution, an inter-racial relationship, tolerance of same-sex couplings, equality of women in employment and on the battlefield. While not all conservatives are against these, they are hardly on the 'right-wing' platform and surely not on any extreme right stance that could be characterized as having paranoia.
If anything I thought the show had a rather libertarian feel. This notion that you are either (a) or (b) is getting ridiculous. The polarization of the American political system is at the point that the suggestion of a 'third way' is tantamount to treason or something. I guess it is the "If your not with us, your against us" attitude.
I agree. The show has a livertarian feel to it, an how this person could state it would appeal to the "right" is beyond me.
It seems to me she only watched one or two episodes, going into those w/ a predetermined judgement, and then posted her so called opinion on the net.
"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."
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