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When Does It Stop Great Britain?

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Tuesday, April 3, 2007 12:00 PM

I read on AP news that Great Britain's education system will no longer teach students about either The Crusades or The Holocaust. This decision is based on the pretext of "not offending Muslims."

Is this not institutionalized politial corectness taken to the most absurd degree? What is the problem teaching the truth about history? Muslims, as demonically touchy as they always are, should not have a problem with the Crusades, as they actually did rather well against the Christian forces of Europe....and The Holocaust...what are they gonna say?...how they ever gonna 'splain about all those films and newsreels of piles of dead bodies found at liberated death camps, or all those very skinny people who were found alive and rescued by British soldiers??? What...that their food stamps ran out? Another thing that frustrates me about Britain is that I've seen loads of pictures & video of their resident Muslim popluation protesting in the streets...nothing wrong with that...but the messages they carry are downright ridiculous: death to Britain!...or 911 was nothing, wait til you see what we do to Europe...or another one saying Britain : your 911 is coming, or my personal favorite I saw : Let the beheadings begin! Now I know we have protests & nutjobs in America aplenty....but here they usually just stick to name calling...Bush is Hitler, or no blood for oil, or USA is Israel's lapdog, etc etc ....but it is illegal to threaten, incite, or advocate violence....free speech doesn't give anyone any right to do that. In Great Britain you are having open insurrection right in the streets...all perfectly legal I guess. Sir Winston Churchill, perhaps the greatest leader of freedom & democracy ever, is rolling around in his grave as England surrenders to Islam everyday, and his grandson is outraged as well. Come on Brits'...how much longer you all gonna kiss the muslims' butts?

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Tuesday, April 3, 2007 12:11 PM

Not just the Brits, most Western European countries are giving in to this sort of ridiculousness. When the Danes publish some cartoons which the Muslims are angry about (in almost all cases without having seen them first), Europeans say "Oh, our fault, we shouldn't take freedom of expression too far, we're bad people, please forgive us", but when Muslims go out into the streets and shout "Death to {offending person, government or institution of the week}", we hear "it's their right, they're a minority therefore they've been oppressed in some way", etc.

Appeasement didn't work last century, won't work now.

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...all perfectly legal I guess.

It's not legal, just rarely does anybody do anything about it (although, surprisingly, there already have been one or two convictions because of it).



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Tuesday, April 3, 2007 1:33 PM

Wasn't somebody on these boards recently ranting about how poor the American education system is compared to the British one? At least my kids will learn about the Crusades and the Holocaust. Yeesh, history curriculum is not the place for political correctness.

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Tuesday, April 3, 2007 1:44 PM

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Originally posted by ShinyEd:
I read on AP news that Great Britain's education system will no longer teach students about either The Crusades or The Holocaust. This decision is based on the pretext of "not offending Muslims."



Can you pass on the link? And btw you might want to read this BBC news item which gives a far balanced and acccurate version of events. Notice where it says the Holocaust is protected in the curriculum.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6517359.stm

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Tuesday, April 3, 2007 1:47 PM

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Originally posted by Causal:
Wasn't somebody on these boards recently ranting about how poor the American education system is compared to the British one? At least my kids will learn about the Crusades and the Holocaust.



Yeah, like how Robert E. Lee led the crusades against the Jews who were camped in Poland and fighting the British to free the slaves making the A-Bomb. They had to hollarcaust the cannons was loud.

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Tuesday, April 3, 2007 1:52 PM

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Originally posted by Causal:
Wasn't somebody on these boards recently ranting about how poor the American education system is compared to the British one? At least my kids will learn about the Crusades and the Holocaust. Yeesh, history curriculum is not the place for political correctness.

The story is mostly bullshit. Who'd have thought it, a tabloid news story that doesn't include much of the latter.



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Tuesday, April 3, 2007 1:55 PM

Well shit. I guess that's what I get for not exercising due diligence in running down the story first and posting second. No hard feelings, I hope, Citz.

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Tuesday, April 3, 2007 2:02 PM

I completely agree that such topics should be taught regardless of possibly offending people, its history, if your offended by history well then you have more serious problems.

As for the protesting if thats what they want to right on signs they have every right to - it is freedom of speech and i think it stupid, it is of course a differnt matter if they acctually do something violent. I disagree with what they say but defend their right to say it.

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Tuesday, April 3, 2007 2:15 PM

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Originally posted by SimonF:
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Originally posted by ShinyEd:
I read on AP news that Great Britain's education system will no longer teach students about either The Crusades or The Holocaust. This decision is based on the pretext of "not offending Muslims."



Can you pass on the link? And btw you might want to read this BBC news item which gives a far balanced and acccurate version of events. Notice where it says the Holocaust is protected in the curriculum.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6517359.stm




After reading the more balanced article, I still find it kind of questionable that teachers would want to avoid rather than embrace the possible controversy of examining such loaded subjects, especially if they attempt, as it says, "a balanced treatment".

Isn't history class the perfect place for examining what is good and what is less than noble about our past, from different POV'S? Isn't that sort of the point?

Basically, it sounds as if teachers are afraid of students becoming rowdy or feeling upset about things that quite simply happened and thus changing their curriculum, which implies a very sad situation that has only indirectly to do with what subjects they teach.


I might have a far to simplistic view, though.

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Tuesday, April 3, 2007 2:19 PM

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