Vote for Firefly (We've passed Bonanza!) I

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FLYVOTE

Saturday, March 31, 2007 4:07 PM

On the Bonanza board someone stated:

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It's a great show about the love of a father and his three sons, their affection for each other and their determination to do what is right by all the different people they meet. Four admirable characters.

They didn't say that Bonanza was a show set in 1860-something on a Ranch with Cowboys and Horses. The appeal of Bonanza is the relationships. The love of family.

Firefly could be described as Cowboys in Space. But in the same vein, it is also about a "father and his three sons" in the way that Mal has his crew as a family.

Bonanza's family (dad and sons) deals with the loss and lack of a mother. The father was hurt by the loss of the wife and does all that he can to raise his boys well in the world that they live in. Any one Bonanza show might be written as "today lets shoe a horse", but the show always involves the interplay between brothers and their father.

The Firefly family has many avenues of relationships. But it too can be boiled down to doing the best that you can for your family. Firefly is a different generation than
Bonanza, but many of the same values are there in the hearts of the characters. Firefly characters struggle to survive, and have hard times on their "Ponderosa". But they do it together as a family, even if they all really don't think of themselves as a family.

A Bonanza fan that can't get themselves beyond the idea of "space cowboys" will probably never try watching Firefly. I personally see no appeal in stories only about cowboys and horses, but I do enjoy catching a Bonanza episode every now and then. Bonanza fans should give Firefly a chance. For $10-20 they can pick up the Firefly series and discover why a 14 episode TV show just moved by them in the TV_Vote poll - not because of lasers and spaceships, but because of the struggles to keep a family together.

(Hey sab39 - why don't you copy this to the Bonanza board. I doubt that any Bonanzites will drop their votes for for BZ to vote for Firefly, but perhaps some of them will at least appreciate why we Browncoats are Firefly fans!)

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Saturday, March 31, 2007 4:17 PM

/\ Well said.
And I hope folks don't laugh too hard when I suggest they catch a bit of Bonanza; enough to learn the characters. It is pretty decent.

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Saturday, March 31, 2007 4:39 PM

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Originally posted by FlyVote:
(Hey sab39 - why don't you copy this to the Bonanza board. I doubt that any Bonanzites will drop their votes for for BZ to vote for Firefly, but perhaps some of them will at least appreciate why we Browncoats are Firefly fans!)

Done :)

CAUSAL

Saturday, March 31, 2007 4:50 PM

bump

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Saturday, March 31, 2007 4:55 PM

I caught a few episodes of Bonanza in the 60s (never was much of a TV viewer, have only seen Firefly on DVD). Pretty decent for the time. But if you check IMDB you find that the people working in front of, and behind, the cameras were a who's who of 1960s film making. Robert Altman directed eight episodes, and Deforrest Kelly did a guest star appearance. Was hoping to find that Joss's dad or granddad wrote an episode or two, but no luck.

Bonanza is, oh, about three generations (in terms of writing and film techniques)older than Firefly. For its day, it was cutting edge. If done today it would be more like, well, maybe not Deadwood, but certainly a lot edgier and darker than Bonanza as we know it. A lot like Firefly, without the spaceships. Hmmm, here's an interesting challenge for a fanfic author. Take the script for a Bonanza episode, and rewrite it in Firefly style. Hell, you could probably do a while Firefly fanfic series using the Bonanza setup.

As has been pointed out, the two shows have a lot in common.

WACKYNEPHEW

Saturday, March 31, 2007 5:00 PM

So much for them letting up on the voting...This was emailed to me from a friend and is from the head voting lady at one of the Xena groups:

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Well, that was a very short retirement We had 1518 votes yesterday and since many decided they wanted to try for the goal of 500,000, I'm baaaack!

I understand one of the fan posters over at the FF site flamed Xena and followers. Seems the only fans Xena has are connected to an underground Lesbian faction. The show really sucked and it was stupid, lame, absurd with bad acting, bad history, bad everything. He said it had to be on Lesbian web sites all over the world...not just Xena fandom. And to quote "I don't recall Xena generating any huge numbers in ratings when it was on TV, but over time the Gay coalition really held this show close to their bosom, especially that young stick-wielding blonde sidekick...if so, we are hopelessly outnumbered" . I think he is pretty funny, actually.

Hopefully that is only one opinion over there...not a nice thing to say about our show and our girls, the acting part that is.

Firefly is at 211,964 with 1681 votes turned in yesterday. We are still 56,746 votes ahead of them. I understand their goal is to become number one since we showed them up in the 2000 daily vote game, and they feel our votes are now going to drop since we no longer have a goal

So, all said and done, we will survive! A few people have given stats on how long it will take us to reach 500,000 and it is about 4 or 5 months. So, if you have nothing better to do...pop in a vote or two...or more.

Battle On for Xena, Lucy and Renee!!!

Mac, your friendly neighborhood VTL...again :o

They never seem to read the posts that congratulate them or show admiration for their accomplishment. Oh well. This is gonna be fun!! Time for some serious mobilization. We need to contact every Browncoat group in the world and get them on board and voting.Who can you contact?

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FLYVOTE

Saturday, March 31, 2007 5:31 PM

This board (FFF.net) does have some Xena FANS. But anything good we say about Xena fans is ignored. Anything bad IS NOT the general opinion of all of us, but only a select few. That's too bad. It seems as if the head voter twists what we say to suit her needs.

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from Xena fan Maylith posted here on FFF.net a while back:
I think we all harbor some secret love of a tv show....I may not understand the love for Bonanza some have, but I respect it. I also respect the love Firefly fans have for their show. It's because of you guys that Serenity was made, and it was a great addition to the Firefly experience.

So, while I am glad Xena got to the TV-Vote Hall of Fame, I hope to see Firefly join us there soon and Bonanza after that....

Maylith is a fair and level-headed Xena fan, and I applaud her position and her words. I applaud her devotion to her voting efforts.

If the only thing that makes the Xenites vote is a post from someone that doesn't like Xena, well there are a lot. Some people will think that Xena sucks. Some people will be middle-of-the-road, some will love it. Not surprising that someone on this board doesn't like Xena, after all this isn't a Xena board.

My previous post about Bonanza was copied in full to the Bonanza board. I stand by those words, and my position about Bonanza, even if some BZ fans sling a little mud. I'm a Browncoat, I can take it.

I really doubt that this post will be copied to the email list that the Xenites see. After all, I'm saying something nice about a Xena fan. I'm sure that the words "Xena sucks" above will be twisted into a "every Firefly fan just said that Xena sucks" just to get Xenites angry. That's too bad. It's a disservice to the Xenites.

Meanwhile next time I catch a Xena rerun, I'll be stuck thinking about this behavior. Is Xena that thin skinned? I didn't think so.

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Saturday, March 31, 2007 5:44 PM

Perhaps someone here should go join the Xena board in question like I did with Bonanza and communicate the respect that Browncoats in general have for our competitors.

I've never even seen Xena, and ShinyEd's post annoyed me. I don't blame Xena fans for being annoyed about it. I agree that it would be nicer if a more balanced view of our comments would be reported, but I don't think it's necessarily malice or deliberately twisting our words that leads that not to happen, just miscommunication. If only a minority of our viewpoint is being communicated, we should take it on ourselves to communicate the rest. We may have a "right" to be upset about the way we're being presented, but we also have the ability to improve the situation...

FLATTOP

Saturday, March 31, 2007 6:28 PM

Today's Numbers

Total Votes (Range to show)
Xena(1): 268,710 (56,746)
Firefly(2): 211,964 (0)

Votes Gained Today (Wk.Avg.) Avg.
Xena(1): 1,518 (1,619) 797
…Best Day (March 30, 2007): 2,803 Record for all time best!
Firefly(2): 1,681 (1,658) 961
...Consecutive days > 1,500: 5
…Best Day (March 30, 2007): 2,359

Closure Rate Today (Wk.Avg.) Avg.
Xena(1): 163 (39) 164

Days to Intercept Today (Wk.Avg.) Avg.
Xena(1): 348 (1,455) 346

Looks like we've taken a step back to breathe a bit... Anyone got a cigarette?

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CAUSAL

Saturday, March 31, 2007 6:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by WackyNephew:
Well, that was a very short retirement We had 1518 votes yesterday and since many decided they wanted to try for the goal of 500,000, I'm baaaack!

I understand one of the fan posters over at the FF site flamed Xena and followers. Seems the only fans Xena has are connected to an underground Lesbian faction. The show really sucked and it was stupid, lame, absurd with bad acting, bad history, bad everything. He said it had to be on Lesbian web sites all over the world...not just Xena fandom. And to quote "I don't recall Xena generating any huge numbers in ratings when it was on TV, but over time the Gay coalition really held this show close to their bosom, especially that young stick-wielding blonde sidekick...if so, we are hopelessly outnumbered" . I think he is pretty funny, actually.

Hopefully that is only one opinion over there...not a nice thing to say about our show and our girls, the acting part that is.

Firefly is at 211,964 with 1681 votes turned in yesterday. We are still 56,746 votes ahead of them. I understand their goal is to become number one since we showed them up in the 2000 daily vote game, and they feel our votes are now going to drop since we no longer have a goal

So, all said and done, we will survive! A few people have given stats on how long it will take us to reach 500,000 and it is about 4 or 5 months. So, if you have nothing better to do...pop in a vote or two...or more.

Battle On for Xena, Lucy and Renee!!!

Mac, your friendly neighborhood VTL...again :o

Would this be the appropriate time to say, "I told you so?" Or might that be later?

Damn those trolls, damn them to Hades. They're giving the Xenites great propaganda.

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