Iran holds British sailors hostage
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UPDATED: Saturday, December 7, 2024 02:28
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Fletch 2 you crossed a line talken about rednecks. I am so offended. There is one thing in shooting stop signs driven down the road. Poppin a few pellets never hurt anyone. Timothy McVeigh was from Wisconsin a yankee who was a great soldier who turn traitor and was snuffed for it. I always thought he had help from the smelly stinky arabs. Which Bill covered up. He was a good marksmen not a bomber. To close to the 93 tower bombing to not be connected. But the issue is get them sailors and marines out of Iran soon. They stay to long the torture will get worse.
"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".
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There was no state of war between Britain & Iran before this incident, therefore this public kidnapping, with likely torture manifesting into "confessions" is a blatant act of war.
Leaders of free & democratic countries have a sworn number one obligation of oath and morality to protect their sovereign citizens, whereever they are, all over the world. It is a total outrage that Iran did this...and they need to pay a huge price for this. I if I could tell Tony & his boys what to do I'd say start with blowing up 5 oil refineries a day, every day and then sinking tankers at sea, wherever they are. This is Great Britain for god's sake!....the cradle...the foundation of western civilized law and human rights....the only people to have the balls & the wisdom to initially stand up & fight Hitler's rampage of mayhem and death....all the while...the "enlightened liberals" in America said no, don't fight, talk! Same shit as now...They're gonna cower & whimper & lay down to some cult of death savages hell-bent on enslaving the world to their twisted, demented, and barbaric "religion"?
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This is Great Britain for god's sake!.
Jongsstraw, unfortunatly, this ain't Maggie Thatcher's Great Britain. Seems their finest hour has already chimed.
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Oh please!
1) Iran has no refineries, they have to import petrol. So whose refinery's should we bomb?
2) As far as i know they own no tankers, so whose tankers would we sink? American tankers?
3) We would actually like to have our people back, that is the objective not starting a war. Mrs T would not have started a war over this, Churchill would not have started a war over this, no British politician would nuke them over this. The reason you have a foreign office is to allow you to apply none military presure to get what you want.
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Originally posted by Fletch2:
Oh please!
1) Iran has no refineries, they have to import petrol. So whose refinery's should we bomb?
2) As far as i know they own no tankers, so whose tankers would we sink? American tankers?
3) We would actually like to have our people back, that is the objective not starting a war. Mrs T would not have started a war over this, Churchill would not have started a war over this, no British politician would nuke them over this. The reason you have a foreign office is to allow you to apply none military presure to get what you want.
Oh please - bomb the oil production/storage facilities- they have those don't they?
Oh please - blockade, sink if necessary any tanker leaving Iran- tankers leave there & can be blockaded, can't they?
But the bigger picture that you don't want to deal with is where is all this going? And when does it stop? Iran had its' Hezbollah troops in Lebanon kidnap Israeli soldiers which provoked a shooting & bombing war, this kidnapping with likely torture of British soldiers operating there for the UN, Iran's endlessly documented funding, training, and promotion of Islamic terror all over the world, their relentless pursuit of nukes & missles, their regular statements of goals to destroy Israel and the United States? Or just their daily puposeful disruption of world stability and energy markets which affect us all every day? And so all you and others want is just to get them home; do whatever Iran wants, appease, just get them home and all this will be over, nice and neat. Life will be just fine, it will all go away if we just don't do anything.
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Quote:The term is FORTUNATLY this is not Maggie 'the crazed bitch' Thatchers Britain.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Jongsstraw, unfortunatly, this ain't Maggie Thatcher's Great Britain. Seems their finest hour has already chimed.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Originally posted by Fletch2:
Few things that have to be mentioned.
1) this was a UN mission so UN rules of enguagement apply. UN troops do not fire unless fired on, and yes that means they get captured all the time --- remember Kosovo. In the Balkans in the early days UN troops were seen as an easy place to get arms.
2) I seem to remember a 100 or so Americans being held for 444 days why didn't you rescue them... oh wait, I remember how well that worked.
3)The tube bombers killed fewer people than Tim McVeigh. So we have fewer problems with Muslims than you have with rednecks.
As to admissions. Iran did this before in 2004 and let everybody go after they "appologised." Since these folks haven't been allowed to see embassy staff who knows what they have been told? If someone told you that the deal to send you home was done and all you had to do was spout some rubbish on TV would you?
Lord knows the situation will be helped if the Americans and the Brits snark at each other, instead of remember historical alliances and figuring out how to fix this.
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Just a quick question (directed at no one in particular--I just had to click "reply" somewhere). Why are we letting the trolls direct this conversation? They've piled into the thread en masse, and are driving the discussion. Why is that? How about we step back and try again.
Myself personally, I'd like to know where the British boat was taken. Iran has historically claimed much more than their 12-nautical-miles' worth of territorial waters. So did the boat get lost and venture with in 12 nuatical miles of Iran's coast? Or were they taken in international waters? That would seem to make a difference with respect to how to handle the situation.
Just a note: Iran actually does have a pretty robust petroleum industry (4th largest oil producer in the world), including a refining capability.
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ir.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/oil.htm
www.nioc.org/subcompanies/niordc/index.asp
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The original Iranian claim (that backed by British evidence) puts the seziure two nautical miles within Iraqi waters
The latest claim that they put in some days after says that they were taken 2 nautical miles within Iranian waters. The ship that was being searched by the British prior to the seziure is still anchored apparrently unmoved, 2 miles within Iraqi waters.
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I wonder why that's not being talked about? I mean, two miles might be a touch close, but hey: that's how the game is played. If the Iranians siezed the boat crew in international waters, that seems to change the dynamic somewhat (to me, leastways). If it's verifiable that they were in international waters, then the Iranians are guilty of kidnapping, essentially (maybe piracy?).
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