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Quote:I'd somewhat assumed since we were talking about deadly weapons you'd realise I was talking about murder and very serious assault, sorry.
Originally posted by Geezer:
Okay. If you'd said "murder" then maybe I'd have addressed that. Violent crime is defined several ways in several studies, but never as only murder.
Quote:Really, last I heard gun ownership was more widespread in Canada, I'll have to do some googling of my own, eh. Though I'm not sure how this really goes too much against my point that it is US attitudes toward guns that is the problem, especially in light of this statement:
Err. "Overall gun ownership rates are significantly higher in the United States 41% of households vs. 26% in Canada (1998), and even to greater extent, handguns. Most Canadian weapons are rifles or shotguns owned by rural property owners, hunters and target shooters, and are less likely to be used in crimes. More types of weapons are banned or restricted in Canada than the United States. The two biggest provinces, Ontario and Quebec have had a long history of strict gun controls."
"Most Canadian weapons are rifles or shotguns owned by rural property owners, hunters and target shooters, and are less likely to be used in crimes."
Quote:No, but I rather suspect you know that since it was my own independent observation as I noted based on whenever I hear Americans talk about guns from people here to the NRA they tend to talk about the 2nd Amendment which isn't aimed toward hunting and an Americans right to defend themselves and their property. Hunting isn't mentioned nearly as much, I think the likelihood that there being a google cite for everything I've ever read is rather remote I suspect. However if you'd like me to try and track down every sentence I've ever read on the subject I'll do so, but it may take me sometime to get the research grant so you'll have to bare with me.
Provide a cite for this assertion, please.
But before we make a big thing about having no cite you haven't provide a cite for guns being used only for hunting either.
Quote:It's against the law to have a handgun concealed within your own home? I rather suspect we both know that's not true.
Carrying a concealed handgun is either illegal or subject to background checks, training requirements, and licensing most anywhere in the US. Folks who carry illegally are the folks who don't obey gun laws anyway.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Originally posted by citizen:
I'd somewhat assumed since we were talking about deadly weapons you'd realise I was talking about murder and very serious assault, sorry.
No problem. Murder and serious assault, then.
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Really, last I heard gun ownership was more widespread in Canada, I'll have to do some googling of my own, eh.
Let me know what you find, please.
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No, but I rather suspect you know that since it was my own independent observation as I noted based on whenever I hear Americans talk about guns from people here.
Your observations or media observations?
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It's against the law to have a handgun concealed within your own home? I rather suspect we both know that's not true.
Weapons in the home are not considered "concealed weapons" and are seldom used in crimes. Besides, a shotgun is a better home defense weapon.
NCIS time. More later.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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"IMHO, a handgun is for one thing. To kill – man, beast, Alliance Blue Hand dude, whatever. Bullet in the brainpan…squish…."
Nope. The're also good for bustin' up empty pop bottles. What a hoot. Also every year at Thanksgiving my family and I use ours to produce beautiful paintings. We call it "Blastart". Maybe one day if you ever have a spare million or two I sell you one.
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On Topic: If I am in fear for my life, I want to have the right to resist with any and all force I feel is necessary to secure my life. I want to have this right for the same reason I'd like to have the right to free speech. In both cases, I'd do it anyway, but I'd prefer not to be arrested afterwards.
Off Topic: Here are some gun perspectives from luminaries. These quotes encapsulate my gun-ownership philosophy. I find myself in some good company, and in opposition to some bad company. I'll start by quoting the bad guys, then switch.
"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms."
--Adolf Hitler
"All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party." ~Mao Zedong, "Selected Works of Mao Zedong"
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." ~Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 (C.J.Boyd, Ed., 1950)
"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." ~Mahatma Gandhi, "An Autobiography OR The story of my experiments with truth", by M.K. Gandhi, p.238
"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” ~George Washington
“There's no question that weapons in the hands of the public have prevented acts of terror or stopped them.” ~Israeli Police Inspector General Shlomo Aharonisk
"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes ... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." ~Thomas Jefferson
"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." ~Thomas Jefferson
"To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them." ~George Mason
"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe." ~Noah Webster
"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms." ~James Madison
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." ~Richard Henry Lee
"After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it." ~William Burroughs
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Why not just have a rule against violently attacking peeps, gun or no gun?
Oh. Lawyers.
I forgot Chrisisall
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There's rules against attacking peeps.
Just no police officer in my back pocket who I can pull out to defend myself, in case someone violates the rule.
Cops are real good at catching people after you're dead, though. All appropriate props for that.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Quote:Become a deadly weapon yourself, as I have.
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
There's rules against attacking peeps.
Just no police officer in my back pocket who I can pull out to defend myself, in case someone violates the rule.
Humble and deadly Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Become a deadly weapon yourself, as I have.
This works if you have the physical ability and your assailant is within your personal striking distance. For the aged, infirm, or just people who don't have the time and resources to develop skill in unarmed combat, a weapon is the best protection if a confrontation with an attacker occurs.
Sure - make yourself as secure as possible with locks, alarms, etc., but if someone defeats those and you face an armed intruder who threatens your life, or the lives of those you feel responsible for, you need the most effective method possible of stopping them.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Become a deadly weapon yourself, as I have.
More like silent and deadly...open a window...light a match...for God's sake...
"Abe Lincoln may have freed all men, but Sam Colt made them equal" post Civil War slogan.
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Quote:You makin' fun of my mutant ability?
Originally posted by Hero:Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Become a deadly weapon yourself, as I have.
More like silent and deadly...open a window...light a match...for God's sake...
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