Stitch was Justified in his Action against the Man they Called Jayne

POSTED BY: RiveR6213
UPDATED: Thursday, March 29, 2007 13:39
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NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 7:49 AM

THe most interesting thing about Jayne is that we see him growing, some. IN Jaynestown, and in Ariel, and in The Message, we see him thinking about himself, and coming to some conclusions, small steps. In particular, we see that he actually HAS a loyalty to Mal. Come to think of it, we see that in the Big Damn Pilot, where he asks Dobson if this means crossin' ths captain. Jayne doesn't really know what makes himself tick, but we see him starting to figure it out. Lotsa room for growth there.

FLATTOP

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 11:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DonCoat:
Higgins: "Jayne's back in town".

Stitch: *BLAM* "...That's interesting."

Would definitely been in keeping w/ the 'verse.

I'm gald our scumbag won. Even sorta glad it happened the way it did (not that I want kids getting shot up), as it did help Jayne take another small step towards humanity.

When the badguy starts on his rant justification and/or plans rant, it's called "Monologue-ing". This has been the cause of many an evil-doers demise/capture (from The Incredibles).

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SABRI3L

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 2:12 PM

Yes I think Stitch was justified, yeah Jayne is a scumbag sometimes.

I disagree that Jayne has no morals at all however. If he did not he wouldn't have felt remorseful after the kid got shot on Canton. He wouldn't have bothered taking Simon and River with him when he escaped after Ariel, he wouldn't have cared what Mal said about how he died, and he wouldn't be sending money home. Yeah he can be a pig, and very crass, but he has heart, he just needs some help (whether it be kind words or a wrench to the face). I have a feeling that Jayne left home at a very young age and went where the money was. And being an overgrown kid on the rim who can shoot, he probably fell in with some remorseless hun dans. you spend enough time (especially formative years) fighting and scrabbling to keep bullets out of you and keep your little scrap of the verse and that is bound to have an effect.

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GORRAMGIRL

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 2:36 PM

Now I definitely agreed that Jayne sees things in a different manner, and more often as not, I'd like to take that wrench to him myself. But I'm going to risk being corpsified by disagreeing that Stitch was in the right---mostly.

The Rim is a harsh place. You got Reavers, you got pirates, you got people who would as soon turn on you to take your ship at any sign of weakness. And, all these people do crime.

As we see so often with FF, crime don't go smooth. There isn't the luxury of "leave no man behind" sort of ideal, because that just gets y'all killed.

Yes, Jayne was scum by leaving Stitch to Higgins. But, Jayne ain't exactly a subtle man. There is NO WAY Stitch could have failed to see what Jayne is capable of. (It was implied they'd worked together for a while). So, Stitch knew who and what he was working for. He shouldn't have been surprised.

And yes, I do agree that he should have turned around and shot Higgins. For the life of me, I couldn't figure out why he didn't, unless Higgins has a penchant for hiding snipers in the nearby.

"They don't like it when you shoot them. I figured that out myself." ---Mal (War Stories)

SABRI3L

Thursday, March 22, 2007 6:04 AM

Also we don't know Stitch's back story, he seemed like a total scumbag, he may have done things downright vile. When the opportunity presented it self to get rid of him, maybe Jayne took it. Stitch was going on about protecting the one your with so perhaps Stitch saved Jayne at some point, so rather than outright killing him, Jayne left him to Higgins. I think being trapped in a dark small box for a undisclosed sentence is worse than death.

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RIVER6213

Friday, March 23, 2007 3:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Anonymous1:
RiveR6213,

Watch Mal's face when as Stitch talks...about how you don't treat the people with you...you know your crew. Mal gives a real stern look towards Jayne. Sort of like...this is what I let on my ship. Mal is agreeing with Stitch.

I just finished watching that scene and you were right about it. Strange how it is that I never noticed the look on Mal's face during that bit...

-River

SABRI3L

Saturday, March 24, 2007 4:25 AM

Mal already knows Jayne's nature though. I mean he shot his on men just to get a 3% pay raise and his own bunk.

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BAGHEERA

Sunday, March 25, 2007 11:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sabri3l:
Mal already knows Jayne's nature though. I mean he shot his on men just to get a 3% pay raise and his own bunk.

I dun rightly agree with that.

Mal never expressly said "you gotta turn on the captain" in order to get the pay raise and his own bunk and all...

Jayne just shot cuz he was pissed off and didnt care about his old crew anymore (well, he probably didnt care in the first place, either)

NBZ

Sunday, March 25, 2007 11:14 PM

Mal knows Jayne is a double crosser.

he may not agree, but that is what he signed up and was probably greatful for.

Afterall if jayne did not turn on his last crew, Mal would probably be dead.

To me the look was more about "Is there anyone you haven't turned on?"

Express words were not needed. Mal did say come on to this side and we give you a larger share and your very own bunk. Can't get much clearer than that.

TRAVELER

Thursday, March 29, 2007 3:17 AM

The difficult part of this is Jayne. He is growing up. He was the scum that Stitch discribed. And at this point Jayne had not changed much. His selfishness is still a very large part of his nature. But there is change. After Jayne kills Stitch he gets honest. He probably was never that honest in his whole life. "There are only people like me", is a hard fact to admit to for Jayne. That he still has a lot more growing up to do is made obvious in "Arial". Mal has to us a wrench and comes very close to removing Jayne from the crew. But Jayne does it again. Instead of continuing to plead for his life he askes Mal not to tell the others. Jayne is forced to face his ego again and he repents. These are baby steps toward being part of the crew.

Jayne just started growing up at a later stage of life. One can only imagine what made Jayne this self-centered creature who's only desires are the payoff and sex.

So the person Stitch cursed and attempted to seek revenge against was gone. The Jayne Stitch knew is not the Jayne who is on board the Serenity. Given time Jayne would have more opportunities to see himself. It is in moments like facing Stitch and what Mal did to him at the end of "Ariel" that Jayne has a mirror placed in front of him and he sees his behavior for what it is; egotism. Jayne must make a choice. He could have lied to the Mudders. Instead he faced his demons and spoke the truth.

This is why Jayne is on Serenity. He sees something on this ship he has never known before. He does not understand it and does not how it works. He just knows he must stay and what ever it is will show itself to him. One of those times was with Stitch. There will be more.

Traveler

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