Downright Shocking.
POSTED BY: Fremdfirma
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There are legitimate ways for the federal government to tax us. They can tax commerce, some goods, and a few other things. It is primarily the income tax that would be abolished. So an aircraft carrier, which is a legitimate need of a legitimate military, would be funded through taxes, just not an income tax.
Here is what the constitution says on taxes:
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Section 8
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and
Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general
Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be
uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and
with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject
of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the
Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin
of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited
Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings
and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and
Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning
Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be
for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union,
suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for
governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United
States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers,
and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline
prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District
(not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and
the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United
States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent
of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of
Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into
Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this
Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or
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There are legitimate ways for the federal government to tax us. They can tax commerce, some goods, and a few other things. It is primarily the income tax that would be abolished. So an aircraft carrier, which is a legitimate need of a legitimate military, would be funded through taxes, just not an income tax.
So they are advocating a country-wide sales tax to replace an income tax? Okay. It seems very much a half dozen of one, six of the other situation. But perhaps we'd be a less disposable society.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Ron Paul is the only politician I'm aware worthy of a vote.
The sad fact is, people don't want the kind of freedom, and responsibility, he advocates. We are living in a nation of people trained from birth to be good little consumer drones. Go to school, get a job, watch TV and don't ask questions. Our insecurities are reinforced through daily doses of fear supplied by our government, our media, our schools, our religions, etc...
I'd love to hear how anyone thinks this might change, but I'm not seeing how.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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If you cut out the pork, the waste, and downright BS (google: bridge to nowhere - for a good example) then the existing taxes would more than cover it, with a surplus, even if you removed direct taxation of incomes.
It's pretty simple math, really.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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It would not be a national sales tax, though I would much rather that than an income tax. It is duties, tariffs, and excise tax. And with massive pork cut out those tax levels could be very low and the government could still do its job. And we would get to keep a much larger chunk of our earned income. That is how I believe it would work anyhow.
What do I know, I am just a college student. You know, the future.
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Here ya go, have a look directly.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2008/budget.html
Just one measly example - under Dept of State and other..
We're gonna spend $4,452,000,000.00 Financing FOREIGN militaries ?
There's no Constitutional Authority or Justification for that, none, nada, zip.
That's just ONE measly item, mind you.
I could go through this thing with a chainsaw and not do the american people one whit of harm or even likely reduce actual services.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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"That's just ONE measly item, mind you.
I could go through this thing with a chainsaw and not do the American people one whit of harm or even likely reduce actual services."
It just may increase services!
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"It is duties, tariffs, and excise tax."
I don't think I know enough about taxes, because that sounded like someone saying, "We'll be replacing tax with tax, tax, and tax."
How do these other sorts of taxes work?
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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While yes they are just essentially just a different sort of tax, they are not paid directly by the individual. Mind you I do not profess to be an expert on taxes, but at least these are not like cutting my income in half on the front end, and then still having to pay for these taxes anyway.
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a duty is a kind of tax, often associated with customs, a payment due to the revenue of a state, levied by force of law. Properly, a duty differs from a tax in being levied on specific commodities, financial transactions, estates, etc., and not on individuals; thus it is right to talk of import duties, excise duties, death or succession duties, etc., but not of income tax as being levied on a person in proportion to his income.
A tariff is a tax on foreign goods upon importation. When a ship arrives in port a customs officer inspects the contents and charges a tax according to the tariff formula. Since the goods cannot be landed until the tax is paid it is the easiest tax to collect, and the cost of collection is small. Smugglers of course seek to evade the tariff.
In the United States, the term excise means: (A) any tax other than a property tax or capitation (i.e., an indirect tax, or excise, in the constitutional law sense), or (B) a tax that is simply called an excise in the language of the statute imposing that tax (an excise in the statutory law sense, sometimes called a miscellaneous excise). An excise under definition (A) is not necessarily the same as an excise under definition (B).
Not, Repeat, Not an expert by anyone's definitions.
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There we go, took a little fiddling, but I figured this thread needed a bit of necromancy, as it was the original let's-bang-the-Ron-Paul-drum around here.
-F
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