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CAUSAL

Monday, March 19, 2007 6:18 PM

Well, this thread has gone way off topic, but I'm going to post anyway, just in case someone is still interested inthe original topic. I've had some serious heartburn in the past on these boards because of one simple fact: I do not hold the majority opinion. I'm socially conservative and a Christian and that makes me the minority. Now I don't particularly care whether I'm in the minority or not, because I love the hell out of Firefly, so I'm going to stick around. But there are certain members of the majority (and thankfully not that many) who seem to think that mere disagreement with majority opinion entails troll status. I don't think that's right. What do the rest of you think?

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KANEMAN

Monday, March 19, 2007 6:21 PM

I agree. Imagine that.

SHINYED

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 1:33 PM

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Originally posted by Causal:
Well, this thread has gone way off topic, but I'm going to post anyway, just in case someone is still interested inthe original topic. I've had some serious heartburn in the past on these boards because of one simple fact: I do not hold the majority opinion. I'm socially conservative and a Christian and that makes me the minority. Now I don't particularly care whether I'm in the minority or not, because I love the hell out of Firefly, so I'm going to stick around. But there are certain members of the majority (and thankfully not that many) who seem to think that mere disagreement with majority opinion entails troll status. I don't think that's right. What do the rest of you think?

I think it's disgusting how a handful of smug, smart-assed, Wikipedia-educated know-it-all liberal jerks try to dominate these boards, and hurl personal insults at FF fans.....and I'm not saying any names here...so it's not personal, despite many of you who love to call individuals here assholes and worse.

CITIZEN

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 11:33 PM

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Originally posted by ShinyEd:
I think it's disgusting how a handful of smug, smart-assed, Wikipedia-educated know-it-all liberal jerks try to dominate these boards, and hurl personal insults at FF fans.....and I'm not saying any names here...so it's not personal, despite many of you who love to call individuals here assholes and worse.

And I think it's funny how a handful of rude, ignorant, foul mouthed uneducated know-it-all conservative jerks try to dominate these boards and constantly hurl gross insults and inflammatory remarks with little or no substance whatsoever while proclaiming themselves morally, intellectually and essentially superior to anyone who disagrees with them.

And I'm not saying any names here... so it's not personal, despite some of you who love to call individuals "smart-assed liberal jerks" assholes, morons and much much worse the moment their rhetoric and cult of personality reasoning fails, which is disturbingly often before the end of their first post, if not before.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

CAUSAL

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 11:47 PM

The trouble is: both sides do it. One just has superior numbers.

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FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 11:57 PM

I don't mind a bit of slaggin, if a poster 'brings the goods' to a discussion, but if all they have is insults or fairy tales, there ain't no point to even holding a discussion with em.

If they're adding to the discussion, fine, if they're subtracting from it, then they're just a vandal.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

CAUSAL

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 11:59 PM

But what constitutes "fairy tales" varies from individual to individual. We pretend that there's some one way to tell what's what, but their just isn't, not in any ultimate sense. And so we resort to what we always to: social pressure and censure. That's why one side is bad for saying, "You're uneducated!" and the other side is sensible for saying the exact same thing.

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CITIZEN

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 12:03 AM

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Originally posted by Causal:
The trouble is: both sides do it. One just has superior numbers.

I insult people who insult me. Some here insult people just because that's all they're capable of, others because that's all they want to do. I don't think it's unreasonable to call someone a Troll if they always respond to every disagreement with a personal insult, nor is it unreasonable to call someone a troll if they constantly post generalised personal insults and purposefully inflammatory statements without any other purpose to their responses.

Though many of the trolls here (and no I don't mean you to be clear) like to characterise an accusation of 'troll' as merely disagreement with someone's politics for my part nothing could be further from the truth. If someone acts like a troll, I'll call them a troll, regardless of their politics.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

CAUSAL

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 12:05 AM

I guess what really disturbs me is that we've divided ourselves into camps: left and right. The two cannot get along, not around any subject because it's essential to the nature of each to oppose the other. So no real meaningful dialogue can take place, just flame and ugliness. And I just don't see any real way to fix it. None at all. And that scares the shit out of me, when it comes to the future of the West.

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CAUSAL

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 12:12 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
I insult people who insult me. Some here insult people just because that's all they're capable of, others because that's all they want to do.

Well, and I think that sometimes that can muddy the waters. When one person is being a jackass, things are bad. When another person responds in kind, things get truly messy indeed, and no real conversation can be had. I guess it's the retaliation-in-kind thing I disagree with.

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I don't think it's unreasonable to call someone a Troll if they always respond to every disagreement with a personal insult, nor is it unreasonable to call someone a troll if they constantly post generalised personal insults and purposefully inflammatory statements without any other purpose to their responses.

On the other hand, I don't necessarilydisagree with anything here. This seems sensible to me. The only trouble seems to be that using the label just makes matters worse.

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Though many of the trolls here (and no I don't mean you to be clear) like to characterise an accusation of 'troll' as merely disagreement with someone's politics for my part nothing could be further from the truth. If someone acts like a troll, I'll call them a troll, regardless of their politics.

Yes, I've seen this first hand. I think we went 'round on an issue for a day or two and agreed to disagree, and you were civil the whole time. So thanks for that. I think the problem is that the left is in the majority, so that brings out the worst in the right (as they have to holler just to be heard) as well as in the left (you know how the mob works).

But then again, not everyone is as even handed as this.

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