Downright Shocking.
POSTED BY: Fremdfirma
UPDATED: Monday, October 17, 2016 12:40
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I found this earlier today, it's a speech from Ron Paul back in 2002.
I'll drop it in as it's own post in a moment, but first I want you to think real hard on all the things that you, personally, think are fucked up in our government.. right ?
Then read the speech, and give me one reason, if you can, even one... not to vote for this guy.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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"The other day, I made a huge "gaffe" on national TV: I told the truth about the crimes of the U.S. government. As you can imagine, the ceiling fell in, and a couple of walls too. Congressmen are supposed to support the government, I was told. Oh, it's okay to criticize around the edges, but there are certain subjects a member of the House of Representatives is not supposed to bring up. But I touched the real "third-rail" of American politics, and the sparks sure flew.
I was interviewed on C-SPAN's morning "Washington Journal," and I used the opportunity, as I do all such media appearances, to point out how many of our liberties have been stolen by the federal government. We must take them back. The Constitution, after all, has a very limited role for Washington, D.C. If we stuck to the Constitution as written, we would have: no federal meddling in our schools; no Federal Reserve; no U.S. membership in the UN; no gun control; and no foreign aid. We would have no welfare for big corporations, or the "poor"; no American troops in 100 foreign countries; no Nafta, Gatt, or "fast-track"; no arrogant federal judges usurping states rights; no attacks on private property; and no income tax. We could get rid of most of the cabinet departments, most of the agencies, and most of the budget. The government would be small, frugal, and limited. That system is called liberty. It's what the Founding Fathers gave us.
Under liberty, we built the greatest, freest, most prosperous, most decent country on earth. It's no coincidence that the monstrous growth of the federal government has been accompanied by a sickening decline in living standards and moral standards. The feds want us to be hamsters on a treadmill--working hard, all day long, to pay high taxes, but otherwise entirely docile and controlled. The huge, expensive, and out-of-control leviathan that we call the federal government wants to run every single aspect of our lives. Well, I'm sorry, but that's not America. It's not what the Founders gave us. It's not the country you believe in. It's not the country I believe in.
So, on that TV interview, I emphasized not only the attacks on our property, but also the decline of our civil liberties, at the hands of the federal police. There are not supposed to be any federal police, according to the Constitution. Then I really went over the line. I talked about the Waco massacre. Bill Clinton and Janet Reno claim those 81 church members, including 19 children, burned down their own church and killed themselves, and good riddance. So they put few survivors on trial, and threw them in prison for 40 years. We're not supposed to remember that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms--talk about an unconstitutional agency--rather than arrest David Koresh on his regular morning jog, called in the TV stations for big publicity bonanza, and sent a swat team in black masks and black uniforms to break down his front door, guns blazing. They also sent in a helicopter gunship, to shoot at the roof of a church full of innocents. The Branch Davidians resisted, and after a heartless siege of almost two months, and after cutting off food, water, and electricity, and playing horrible rock and roll through huge speakers 24 hours a day, the feds sent in the tanks to crush the walls of the church, and inject poisonous CS gas. Now, CS gas is banned under the Paris Convention on Chemical Warfare. The U.S. could not use it in a war. But it could and did use it against American civilians. After the tanks did their work on the church, the place burst into flame, and all 81 people--men, women, children, and babies - were incinerated in a screaming horror. Did some feds set the fire? Did the flammable CS gas ignite, since without electricity, the parishioners were using lanterns? Did a tank knock over a lantern, striking one of the bales of hay being used against the thin walls as a "defense" against bullets? Or did the Davidians, as Clinton and Reno claim, kill themselves?
A new documentary- -Waco: The Rules of Engagement- may show, through FLI
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I can give you plenty of reasons not to vote for this guy. He thinks that governments shouldn't take money from its people, keeping most for itself, giving out only a little bit here and there just to keep the misinformed masses happy. He thinks that the government shouldn't dictate every minute detail of how I live my life, from where I will send my kids to school (when I one day have kids), to whether or not I should be able to smoke a cigarette while eating a hamburger with extra cheese. He thinks that government should go and send my peers off to fight in some foreign land for an ambiguous reason (not that I am a fan of dictators) and should give contracts to their buddies. He thinks that government should not be able to go in and screw around with someone else's internal problem without being asked in, while at the same time talking about people coming into our country and messing with us like it is the worst thing in the world.
So in summary, I can give you various and sundry reasons not to vote for this guy, but none of them are really any good.
Paul for President '08
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He also wants to get rid of Federal Law Enforcement agencies. That way we can trust our counter-terrorism to the Vermont State Patrol...
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Originally posted by Hero:
He also wants to get rid of Federal Law Enforcement agencies. That way we can trust our counter-terrorism to the Vermont State Patrol...
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Fed agencies perp all the terrorism and major assassinations in USASPP today. As they have for over 150 years. So getting rid of Uncle Scam gets rid of terrorism. Read Operations Northwoods and Gladio.
Fed terrorists refuse to arrest and deport 40-million homicidal illegal alien enemy combatants who demand overthrow of USA, with 200-million more on the way ASAP, thanks to Bush Jr's Security & Prosperity Partnership contract to merge USA with Mexico and Canada in 2005. Illegal aliens murdered over 45,000 US citizens so far, since 9/11/2001, including Nathan Fillion's boss in WAITRESS.
www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53103
www.spp.gov
Or we could do what White House counsel and FBI agent G Gordon Liddy said on his radio show.
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"Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests. They've got a big target on there, ATF. Don't shoot at that, because they've got a vest on underneath that. Head shots, head shots. Kill the sons of bitches. If the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms insists upon a firefight, give them a firefight. Just remember, they're wearing flak jackets and you're better off shooting for the head."
-G Gordon Liddy, Nixon White House attorney at law, FBI agent, convicted Watergate felon, on his national neocon radio show in 1994
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Gordon_Liddy
Mafia trial lawyer Sir Rudy Giuliani Knight of the British Empire for dictator in 2008
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Yes, it's former NYC mayor Rudy Giuliani in drag having his "breasts" shamelessly violated by "Apprentice" tycoon Donald Trump. Clip from new documentary GIULIANI TIME, by Kevin Keating, opens May 12 at Landmark Theatres' Sunshine Cinema in NYC. More at www.GiulianiTime.com.
"Mayor Giuliani — a former federal prosecutor who won notice for 'pursuing' the Mafia — had relatives linked to organized crime, including a mobbed-up cousin who was gunned down by FBI agents in 1977, a new book says. Lewis D'Avanzo, a son of the mayor's uncle and a guest at Giuliani's first wedding in 1968, was a 'ruthless and widely feared mob associate' who headed a massive stolen car ring, according to FBI documents and interviews detailed in Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, by Village Voice senior editor Wayne Barrett. Due in stores next week, the book sketches a largely unflattering portrait of the clan, depicting his father, Harold, as a hothead and the "muscle" behind a brother-in-law's loansharking operation, run out of a Brooklyn bar. Along with cracking heads, it says the mayor's father served time in state prison for a stickup, rarely held an on-the-books job and once was a gunman in a mob shootout in Brighton Beach, Brooklyn. According to the book, Giuliani's cousin Lewis D'Avanzo was known as "Steve the Blond" and listed as armed and dangerous in FBI bulletins. His criminal record included a 10-year federal sentence for the armed hijacking of a truck loaded with $240,000 worth of mercury. The book alleges that he was suspected of taking part in several murders. D'Avanzo was gunned down by the FBI in October 1977, when he tried to run down an agent after being stopped on a warrant that accused him and two associates of transporting 100 stolen luxury cars. Quoting an unnamed friend of D'Avanzo, the book describes a 1962 shootout pitting a local mobster against the mayor's father and Leo D'Avanzo, Lewis D'Avanzo's father. The book says Leo was later sanctioned by mob bosses for shooting at a Mafia member. Leo D'Avanzo, who was known in family circles as a black sheep, ran loansharking and gambling operations out of a Brooklyn bar where Giuliani's father worked asNOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
As far as I understand it, counter terrorism is in fact an interstate issue, which does fall in the realm of the federal government, even in a strict reading of the constitution. It is not so much a complete abolition of federal law enforcement, but more a reigning in on federal encroachment on the job of the locals. So as far as I understand it there would still be some things under federal jurisdiction, terrorism being one, cross state line issues being another, so counter terrorism would still fall under a federal jurisdiction. Unless its not. That didn't make too much sense that last bit, at least not in writing but it makes sense in my head. Hate it when that happens. I hope you can sympathize. Also Dr. Paul has an idea regarding fighting terrorism using privateers that is kinda ingenious in my book, but I am a strong believer in the power of the private sector. I don't claim to be an expert on anything, so outside input is appreciated. Talking things out is how we learn is how I look at it. So there you go.
Your man in Hong Kong.
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He also wants to get rid of Federal Law Enforcement agencies.
Oh, you mean the ones that in the history of their entire existance have not prevented a single act of terrorism, yet have perpetuated numerous ones (See Also: COINTELPRO) against the very citizens they're supposed to protect ?
That just got caught illegally spying on US, and tried to cover it up ?
Boo-Ferkin-Hoo, lemme go find the smallest violin to play them a dirge.
I don't want protection, that road leads to a rubber room and a box of crayons in some state run facility so we can't harm ourselves.
I want freedom dammit, and any terrorista who does unto me or mine better damnwell hope he does for me in the first bite, cause if he don't his ass is MINE!
I think your real problem, Zero, is that like the rest of the parasitic leeches suckling the FedGov masquerading as "Public Servants", you'd be forced to go out and get a real job once the trough is empty.
{ } <-See this ? that's all the sympathy I have for you.
I've no intention of being nice: be advised.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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This speech is intriguing. I hear a lot about abolishing the majority of the Federal government and its services. I am interested in the idea of taking away the Federal income tax.
But I do find myself interested in how everything will operate and function in the absence of the Federal Machine.
I am not only interested in hearing what this man will NOT do, what he will TAKE AWAY, but I would also like to hear, precisely, what he will REPLACE all this with.
How does the government work, exactly, in his ideal scenario? He's said quite eloquently what it won't do and won't have. I want to hear what it will do and will have.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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I believe it was Thomas Jefferson who said that which governs least governs best. And that is what he would do. For the most part leave us to live are lives as we see fit. In absence of government run social service, private social service would arise. If you say that this is unrealistic, I humbly point you in the direction of Hong Kong, to the Tung Wah Group of Hospitals organization. They run schools, housing, public health care, social services for young children and the elderly and many other community services. They fund their operation by collecting rent from their many property holdings throughout the area. They spend over half a billion American dollars a year caring for the poor here in HK, and yet are able to cover that due to their private revenues. So this is how things would be replaced, those which go away would be taken care of by the private interests headed by philanthropic folk. As to how he would govern, he would protect our rights to life, liberty and property. That is all the government is there to do. It is almost midnight here so I will adjourn for the evening and hope to be able to catch up upon the morrow. I would say to play nice in my absence, but I know that is like trying to hold back the river with a plastic shovel. 
I really need a better signature.
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