Vote for Firefly (We're #3)! XIV
POSTED BY: FlatTop
UPDATED: Friday, March 23, 2007 22:26
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Bumpity, bump. Still an outside chance at 200k before Bonanza.
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What I don't understand is ever other F***ing show on the chart to vote for has had at least a couple seasons, and you're (Fox... may they burn in hell) Telling me, that Firefly doesn't even warrant a 2nd chance. Xena went like what 4-6 seasons, Bonanza... TV Classic... FIREFLY... Fans left wanting... I hope to see it ahead of Bonanza here real quick though.
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Originally posted by FlyVote:Quote:
Originally posted by StormCat:
There should be a way he can tell that the votes are coming from 2 different computers.
I would like that. I have about 15 computers.
It's easy to tell that they are different computers. Much harder to tell if they are different fingers pushing the buttons.
The rule (as stated) is "One vote per IP per hour."
The rule (as intended) is "One vote per person per hour."
The rule (as enforced) is "One vote per subnet (think building or corporate server) per hour."
Today's numbers will be late (after my dinnerish). Going to be afk all day judging a Tae Kwon Do tournament.
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Originally posted by StormCat:
If it is one vote person human then why didn't my partners vote on her computer not count? I vote on my laptop. That is about 8 votes a day F/F is losing.
Sad, but true. As I mentioned...
"You see, those computers are (most likely) on the same subnet. They will all be thrown out, I'm afraid. Since they have no way to know if it is one person cheating (6 people on their own computer, or one person on 6 computers (or once person kicking around their DHCP server), the site assumes all traffic from the same subnet is a cheat. You are better off voting just once per hour."
and between you and your partner, you are better off voting just once per hour. Much as my wife and I (and our 255 childern, uncles, and inlaws who live in the same house and each have their own computer... ok, mostly kidding, only the wife is real, but I am hoping you see the point from FLAtRich's perspective) make a point of casting only one vote between the two us. Likewise, this is another 8-10 votes a day FF is losing since my wife is also a fan; however, from a "fairness" perspective, this is a situation all shows must deal with equally.
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There should be a way he can tell that the votes are coming from 2 different computers.
"Should", I'd say it would be "nice", but the hurdles are significant. Unfortunately, when the web was built, much of the technology was designed around a "peers of equal" perspective. Basic web browsing was intended to make content available, not necessarily designed to ensure that unique systems were positively known, and (which is nearly impossible) forced to a per human verification.
Let's say you have two systems A and B. I have a server C. To make things more like a typical "home setup" your systems A and B are "NAT"ted to a single IP address. The "NAT" being done by your in house router could actually be done, say, by a programmable Linux systems. Let's say I understand all these terms (and I don't really) and worse, I am determined to cheat. I can setup that NAT routers so instead of looking like I have my two real systems, I have 240 real systems; perhaps even more. Since I control the NAT, FLAtRich has -no- way to know that I really have two systems; I can alter the NAT programming such that it is indistinguashable from the server's (system C above) perspective what is really going on here.
So, let's say FLAtRich can figure out a way to determine there's really two systems behind the NAT; now, given that a NAT is probably to a single household; how does he know there's really two people associated to those two systems. While only my wife and I live at home, I currently have 4 computer systems hung onto my home network; each using that natted connection (I personally use a "black box" router which I cannot (easily ;-) ) reprogram); and I have two more systems in a closet I could easily hook up. How on earth is FLAtRich supposed to figure out there's only 2 people running those 6 systems? I have a friend who has a gaming network in his basesment; he has 16 systems and he lives by himself.
Anyway, to make a long story short, while I "wish" there was an easy way for FLAtRich to know how many people lived in my house, and how to tell each was voting separately and honestly and independently, there really isn't. I personally believe that he has struck a reasonable compromise. I have considered many possible strategies on what could be done to "lighten the rules" so more folks can vote fairly; but I see no way to block the cheats against those ideas... so keep falling back to believe what FLAtRich has done is a reasonable compromise.
The -intent- is one vote per human per hour. The -enforced rule- is one vote per ip block per hour; with the understanding that when a human figures out a way to vote twice in an hour, they are cheating and if he finds a way to block the cheat (and he's pretty clever, he probably will (or already has)) he'll simply, without warning or advisement, throw the votes away.
I will note th
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I take it back, the fingerprint and retinal scanners would be attached to our systems; even as implemented on most laptops, the system is designed to prevent access to the system. Once access is established, the user has full autonomy to modify the software and since the system is under the control of the user, it is likely that the system, especially when sharing the authentication mechanism back out to the web, can be compromised to send missleading data back to the server in question. So... if you ever wonder why folks are reluctant to allow "real" elections to be run off the web, you might be starting to get some insight as to the challenges.
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