Congenial Bush Offends Yet Again

POSTED BY: Dayve
UPDATED: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 13:13
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FINN MAC CUMHAL

Saturday, March 10, 2007 6:11 AM

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Originally posted by Dayve:
"That a person like (Bush), with the persecution of our migrant brothers in the United States, with the wars he has provoked, is going to walk in our sacred lands, is an offense for the Mayan people and their culture," Juan Tiney, the director of a Mayan nongovernmental organization with close ties to Mayan religious and political leaders, said Thursday.

Yep, this is pretty stupid.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

SOUPCATCHER

Saturday, March 10, 2007 7:06 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
If you want to be a citizen, get in line like the rest of the world does and how my great grandparents did.

I'm not sure going back to a policy that was in place when your great-grandparents emigrated would meet with your approval. We pretty much had open borders up until 1917 (unless you were ethnic Chinese - who had been excluded from any immigration with the 1882 Chinese Exclusion Act). Up until 1917, the basic requirement was that you were healthy (oh, and not an anarchist agitator after 1901). In 1917 a literacy requirement was added, the first quotas start showing up in 1921 and then all immigration got shut down during the Depression.

So, if your great-grandparents got here before 1917, they passed the physical and came on in. Now we could revert to that policy and just start giving physicals on the border. But something tells me that the vast majority of Americans wouldn't go for that.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 10, 2007 9:50 AM

Real good point SoupCatcher. I wish I knew more about my family. I'm only 27 myself and my Grandparents met in the 40's, so it is entirely possible they came after 1917, but I really couldn't say. It would have been right around that time I suppose.

I definately think that learning to at least speak and understand English should be a requirement. Why should we have to change everything here to cater to them if they want to get here so badly? Also they should be able to read enough to sufficiently read our street and warning signs and such so we don't find ourselves with speed limit signs in 8 different languages someday.

I was a a home depot a few years ago. It happens to be in a neighborhood which has slowly become a prodominantly mexican neighborhood over the last 20 or so years. I bought a preassembled glass block window. It had tear away instructions below them which were fasened to the bulk racks by two twist ties, making it impossible to spin around so the other side on top. Take a guess which language this english/spanish instruction booklet was facing the top.

I nearly flipped my lid. I gave the manager a good piece of my mind and told him that I'd never shop in his home depot again, and I'm forced now to drive 30 minutes out of my way whenever I do some work on my Grandma's now because I will never shop in the Home Depot 5 minutes from her house again.

Nope... I think that illegals have thrived during this administration.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

AURAPTOR

Sunday, March 11, 2007 3:29 PM

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with the persecution of our migrant brothers in the United States, with the wars he has provoked

Umm... Bush has been the illegal's best friend! He's done just about everything EXCEPT persecute 'the migrant worker'. Wars ? That'd be ONE war, I believe. I don't care who you are, no one can deny our legitimate right to invade Afghanistan. That's above all reproach. You want to bicker about Iraq ? Fair enough. But not t'other.

Weren't the Mayans the folks who engaged in human sacrifice ?

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So, apparently the Mayans weren't this peaceful, almost serene people that the 19th century scientists first thought. Learning from the hieroglyphs and archaeological legwork, the disposition of the ancient Mayan had to be revaluated. The Mayan society was a strict theocratic hierarchy, where the priests held great power for their connection with the gods. Warfare did play an essential part of Mayan society, and yes, they did practice human sacrifice. It is believed that they sacrificed captured enemy warriors and ball players as well as people of their own tribe, going willingly to the World of the Gods. Many offerings and sacrifices, human and others, have been found in cenotes, the fresh water sinkholes found throughout the Yucatán

I think they've got a few hundred years purifying their OWN bad spirits before they fret over their great white brothers to the North.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

CITIZEN

Sunday, March 11, 2007 5:27 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
That'd be ONE war, I believe.

Iraq was a war, ergo thats TWO wars, plural.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

KHYRON

Sunday, March 11, 2007 5:32 PM

I think he meant one war that was controversial (one that Bush "provoked").

The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

CITIZEN

Sunday, March 11, 2007 5:33 PM

It's not at all clear with in the context of the post nor what he is replying to.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

KHYRON

Sunday, March 11, 2007 5:43 PM

Not that I feel a need to defend AURaptor or anything, but I hate it when arguments get started because of miscommunication, so here's the way I saw it:

Mayan priests: Bush provoked wars.
AURaptor: Maybe he started one war, but the other one (Afghanistan) was legitimate. Hence no plural.

I happen to think AURaptor's right on this one, and I also think those comments by the priests make them seem like nothing more but media-seekers.

The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

CITIZEN

Sunday, March 11, 2007 5:45 PM

fair enough, wasn't how I read it, but I can see that now.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

KONEKOKEITA

Sunday, March 11, 2007 5:51 PM

Typically, isn't all a country have to do these days is bash Bush and they get into the media?

I'm not going to hop into this whole political thing...he'll be out soon anyway, and the country is still here, as far as I know, so all in all, I don't care. But really, isn't bashing Bush kinda...uncool now? It seems like everyone I know and their mother has not only an unkind word, but a whole freaking political speech about everything he's done bad for our country. I admit, he has no tact, no grace, and an IQ that wouldn't make a decent earthquake...but I just wish people would move on to new topics. Again, no offense to anyone here, I'm just stating my opinion when it comes to the subject in general.

So...cookies, anyone?

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