Latest BSG Episode (3/4/07)

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CAUSAL

Monday, March 5, 2007 9:50 PM

Good discussion thus far.

My $0.02--until I see a Starbuck funeral, I'm going to assume that she's alive and coming back, because of the language of film-making (and I realize I'm meta-gaming this, but meh). If they'd given Kara a funeral, I would have seen that as the producers saying, "Look, the character is dead and her arc is over." But they didn't do that. They left it very open-ended. I need to go back and look again, but if I remember correctly, in the last few cuts between Starbuck and the flashback the camera was very tight on Starbuck's face. We can't really tell if she's still in the cockpit or not. I'll have to take a look at the CGI when her Viper starts burning up to see if she's in there--but my money's on no. It does seem to fit in with the "Leoben's coming for you soon" thing, and as has been mentioned, Lee did see the heavy raider.

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STEGASAURUS

Monday, March 5, 2007 10:07 PM

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Did anyone else notice the change in terminology by Col. Tigh?

He called the wierd cylon shuttle a "Raider" and called why I always assumed was a raider (since I have the little ship on my desk) a "Bandit".

The Cylon fighters are called "raiders."

The Cylon transport thingies are called "heavy raiders."

"Bandit" and "bogey" are fighter pilot terms dating back (I believe) to the second world war. When a pilot picks up an aircraft on radar visual but can't ID it, it's a "bogey." When the bogey is identified as an enemy fighter it's called a "bandit."

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Thank you for that clarification, Casual. I'll admit I was falling asleep due to fatigue, so I probably only heard half of Tigh's dialogue.

REGINAROADIE

Monday, March 5, 2007 10:17 PM

Well, if she is still alive (and that's a big if since they've built up her death for a while, and to suddenly do it and then back off with a flimsy "Oh wait, she's not really dead." reveal would really undermine all they've done with the character), then I hope they have a fresh way to bring her back.

If she is dead dead, then that was a really crappy way to kill off a great character. Marc Bernadin over at EW.com put it perfectly.

"I'm all for Kara's having a destiny (and I love the way the producers tied that mandala painting in her old apartment into the Temple of the Five and now into that storm system). I just don't understand what her destiny is, other than to disregard orders and commit suicide by flying into a storm. I'm all for heroic sacrifice, provided I understand what the sacrifice is for. And here, I don't."

If just seems like "Oh, let's kill her by confronting her issues with death with some spiritual mumbo jumbo and flashbacks as she follows a phantom Raider into some clouds and have her blow up without resolving any overarching thing. That'll really make the audience happy."

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CAUSAL

Monday, March 5, 2007 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by reginaroadie:
"I'm all for Kara's having a destiny (and I love the way the producers tied that mandala painting in her old apartment into the Temple of the Five and now into that storm system). I just don't understand what her destiny is, other than to disregard orders and commit suicide by flying into a storm. I'm all for heroic sacrifice, provided I understand what the sacrifice is for. And here, I don't."

If just seems like "Oh, let's kill her by confronting her issues with death with some spiritual mumbo jumbo and flashbacks as she follows a phantom Raider into some clouds and have her blow up without resolving any overarching thing. That'll really make the audience happy."

Right, this is why I don't think Kara's dead. They've been playing up the painting in her apartment since early season 2, been working with the abuse thing since early season 2, been working with the Leoben thing since mid-season 2. It doesn't make much sense to just kill her off like that; I'm thinking this has all got something to do with Leoben--maybe he's gone rogue, like D'Anna did.

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CHINDI

Monday, March 5, 2007 11:33 PM

powerful show.. and no way is she dead.. I just don't buy that. MAYBE she is one of the 5.. but not gone forever. Tho she is gone the rest of THIS season from what I hear....

slapping the photo up will be emotional. Lee will be emotional as is Papadama (she was like a daughter after all...) but I reckon she will be back next season somewhere.. the whole destiny thing means there is more out there to be determined..

as for TennesseeMike...LOL Love that you are a show killer.. yes please.. American Idol, Deal or no Deal, Survivor and I will get a list together for you to kill off.... lol.. please stay away from Heroes, and MAYBE Jericho (jury still out)and, uhm, maybe you should just catch reruns of BSG.. . just to be sure...

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DARKJESTER

Monday, March 5, 2007 11:50 PM

Just a quick thought - remember the tagline they were promoting earlier? It was something similar to "One will die, one will find they are a Cylon, and one will find Earth". What if all three are pointing to Kara?

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KHYRON

Tuesday, March 6, 2007 12:41 AM

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Originally posted by Causal:
I need to go back and look again, but if I remember correctly, in the last few cuts between Starbuck and the flashback the camera was very tight on Starbuck's face. We can't really tell if she's still in the cockpit or not. I'll have to take a look at the CGI when her Viper starts burning up to see if she's in there--but my money's on no.

I checked it and she's still in the cockpit. Besides, so what if she ejected? If the atmosphere can crush her viper it can crush her too. She seems pretty dead.

The only way she can come back is as a cylon.

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THUNDAR

Tuesday, March 6, 2007 3:25 AM

Lets see... My theory.
She is rescued by that Raider and taken to a Base star.
On the Base star she is kept under and healed until she's ready to awake.
They put her in a ressurection vat. She wakes up, in the vat, seeing the Cylons around her welcoming her home.
She is then told she is in fact a Cylon and she is one of the final five.
They Frak with her mind until she herslf believes and tells all about the Fleet.

JPSTARGAZER

Tuesday, March 6, 2007 5:16 AM

I think she has to come back. There was the whole thing about the goddess of rebirth. When you realize that she died (allegedly) in a huge ball of fire, I think that's too much of a coincidence not to imply a Phoenix-esque return. Just my thought.

Looks like we'll get the Baltar trial next week too.

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PEULSAR5

Tuesday, March 6, 2007 6:05 AM

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My theories, and I know nothing of the 1980 BSG, so could be way off with all this:

1) Starbuck is one of the five. Has to be! She's some weird sort of cylon that grew up from a little girl, which is why her mother hated her so much and treated her like crap. Because her mother knew...

Or not. It does seem so obvious that maybe they're trying to mislead us with that.

2) Either way, the storm was the eye of Jupiter, and Starbuck needed to go down there to learn some truth that's important for helping them the humans find earth or the cylons find God or something like that. The storm lives over some technological something, possibly cylon created, possibly left by the 13th tribe, that makes it safe for her to go down there...

Or, maybe it's the place she'll be "reborn," if theory #1 is true, and she'll learn all sorts of cool things by being dead for a while and she'll hang out with the cylons and do lots of God talking.

If I was BSG ficcer, I'd be all over this LOL!

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Try this: Starbuck is 1/2 Cylon like Helo and Sharon's baby. They never really discussed who her father was, and it might explain part of her mother's bitterness.

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