Hurtful Whedonesque Thread

POSTED BY: CaliforniaKaylee
UPDATED: Sunday, March 4, 2007 01:17
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JWHEDONADDICT

Friday, March 2, 2007 12:05 PM

I do not post at Whedonesque but I do go to that site pretty frequently. I did not see that thread about this subject before this so I don't know what all was said.

The sad thing is, I probably would've jumped the gun and acted irrationally when I heard someone who says that they feel homosexuality is a sin. I'm not gay, but I understand what it's like to be looked down on for being different (even though what makes you different isn't actually hurting anyone) so I've always been offended when I hear that stuff even though it isn't about me. I've always been particularly offended by the deeply religious because those who are tend to be the loudest about it in my experience. I became just as prejudiced about religion altogether and it has clouded my judgement far more than I'd like to admit. I've never said anything offensive about religion here I don't think, but still I'm sorry that I ever did think that way.

Thank you for helping me to see how wrong I was!

BROWNCOAT1

Friday, March 2, 2007 12:09 PM

CaliforniaKaylee, thanks for taking the time to post your thoughts and concerns. I understand your being upset and the frustration you must be feeling, especially in regards to the Mormon religion. You see, my wife is Mormon and I am not.

Let me state that I am not Mormon because I am not a big fan of organized religion regardless of the church or beliefs. I believe in God, just ain't really God fearing man is all. I have seen things in war and around this world that made me question things, things that no book could answer. Like someone above said, I follow my heart and my own code of conduct and beliefs. I respect those who practice religion and respect their beliefs, but I expect the same courtesy in return if I choose not to participate in a particular religion or church. Sure my wife's Mormon peers have approached me about the faith several times, but I told the bishop and others I am not interested. I explained my stance and the bishop said he understood and made it known to the church to respect my position and they have not pressured me at all. They are kind, caring, and friendly to me and my family, but they know I won't be converting. I disagree with some of the Mormon's beliefs on the government, their beliefs about homosexuality, politics, and the Mormon's persecution of the FLDS and RLDS.

My point is that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, regardless of whether or not we agree with it or if it is uneducated. People want to bash OSC for being a Mormon, that's their right. Personally I don't agree with them and I think they are being ridiculous, but hey, that's their freedom of opinion. Just like I would defend those posters at Whedonesque their opinions and beliefs, so too would I defend OSC's opinions and beliefs, with my life if that is what it came down to.

A lot of people go around spreading their "educated" or morally "superior" opinions, but that doesn't mean I've got to agree with them, like it or even listen to it. People have a right to speak their piece, but they should also respect others differing opinions. Don't much matter who is right or wrong so long as they aren't trying to force their beliefs on others.

In the end we're all browncoats, different views, bigotry or religion aside. We all came together for something special, a show whose underlying message is freedom. That concept extends to more than just our physical forms being free of chains. Freedom is a right we all should share and protect. Let the posters at Whedonesque have their say. Their opinion on OSC's faith and its practices does not make him a "monster" or his works less than they are now. They're just words. I for one appreciate OSC's support of our 'verse and thank him for it.

Take care and keep flyin' CaliforniaKaylee. You're not alone.

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MAVOURNEEN

Friday, March 2, 2007 1:47 PM

SHINYED

Friday, March 2, 2007 1:50 PM

It's certainly not just Whedonesque...here at FFF we have plenty of our own folks who mock & ridicule ANYTHING resembling traditional & conservative thought. Seems like if you're not out there demonstrating with a sign that says " We hate war criminal & liar Bush's war for oil, or We support illegal alien homosexuals, or Republicans are poisoning the world, or America is the worst country in the world....if you're not a kool-aid drinking, fringe-left web-site indoctrinated mindless lemming....well you get hammered pretty hard right here at FFF just like you saw at Whedonesque.

CAUSAL

Friday, March 2, 2007 1:55 PM

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Originally posted by zeitgeist:
I understand having an emotional reaction to something you read/see, but please, take a deep breath and read the thread again. And for anyone reading this thread, please read the thread for yourself and see what was actually said and by whom. OSC is welcome in any clubhouse I hang out in any time.

Just wondering when you checked the thread. The mods over there have done a fair amount of cleaning up. I went over and looked right after CK put up her original post and it was about as bad as she said it was. If you didn't check out the thread until after the mods got busy, it's more likely that you saw a cleaned-up version than that CK is over-reacting.

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CAUSAL

Friday, March 2, 2007 1:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ShinyEd:
It's certainly not just Whedonesque...here at FFF we have plenty of our own folks who mock & ridicule ANYTHING resembling traditional & conservative thought. Seems like if you're not out there demonstrating with a sign that says " We hate war criminal & liar Bush's war for oil, or We support illegal alien homosexuals, or Republicans are poisoning the world, or America is the worst country in the world....if you're not a kool-aid drinking, fringe-left web-site indoctrinated mindless lemming....well you get hammered pretty hard right here at FFF just like you saw at Whedonesque.

Flame bait, for sure, but not totally wrong.

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MAVOURNEEN

Friday, March 2, 2007 2:03 PM

ZEITGEIST

Friday, March 2, 2007 2:07 PM

I was in the thread for most of this, and I am the moderator who posted (two admins also posted). There were only a few edits, and only one of those was to remove inflammatory language and name-calling:

http://whedonesque.com/comments/12598#164633

And none of that changes the fact that CK posted saying that multiple mods and admins were Mormon bashing and OSC bashing, which is flat out false.

SHINYED

Friday, March 2, 2007 2:17 PM

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Originally posted by Mavourneen:
Again, ShinyEd, I must ask...where's the tolerance in that? ...Speaking for no one but myself, I tend to stay out of the RWED because of the casual disregard for other people's viewpoints that is down there.

My point exactly! Why should you or anyone feel like they need to "stay out" of any area of FFF? The reason is that even "tolerant" people such as myself become frustrated and upset with the juvenile & vile antics that occur there frequently, and lately I don't go there....what's the point? You cannot engage in a civil debate, or even just post your OPINION with folks there who seem to be plugged into Wikipedia or Bush sucks.com as their sole sources for all their "beliefs."

CAUSAL

Friday, March 2, 2007 2:26 PM

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Originally posted by Mavourneen:
Again, ShinyEd, I must ask...where's the tolerance in that? A liberal Browncoat and a Conservative Browncoat and a Mormon Browncoat and a Wiccan Browncoat are all wearing the same color. It is why we are here, on this site.

Unfortunately, the "we're all wearing the same color" thing only seems to really work when actually bullets start flying.

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