Hurtful Whedonesque Thread
POSTED BY: CaliforniaKaylee
UPDATED: Sunday, March 4, 2007 01:17
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CK
Please don't let others stupidity get you done. If everyone in the world that PROFESSED them selves to be christian actually were - this would be a much nicer place!
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I don't believe in any god, but I still consider myself to be a good person - and I don't have any rule book to follow, only my heart. Should I be proven wrong after all and it turns out there IS a god, he can hardly be mad at me, now can he. Too many people are using religion as an excuse for their sh*t and interpreting religious text to fit their agendas and believes. I don't have that excuse, and I don't want to have it. The people whose paths I cross in life are the judges of me, not some god after I die.
Now picture yourself being born into ANY religion, and you disagree with one of the rules (e.g.: gays=bad). Do you change your religion? Nope, you ignore that rule but don't make a big fuzz about it because you don't want any trouble with your fellow worshippers.
On a side note, you can chose your religion, but you can't chose your sexual orientation. Just an observation.
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They're cheering a show that's not even on". - Kevin Smith
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Thanks guys, I really appreciate all the positive responses. (TDBrown, I really appreciate your post on the Whedonesque thread!) And thank you for the mozel tov WhoDied!
I generally try not to let these things get to me -- raised Mormon and converting to Judaism, it's a good day when I manage to go 24 hours without hearing something bigoted (or at least misinformed) about one or the other! I also tend to talk these things out with my family, but I don't want them to find out that there are Browncoats out there who think this way about their religion. Their view of Browncoats is still so pure and wonderful -- which I think is greatly deserved! -- I don't want to spoil it. So thank you all for letting me vent here.
Btw Casual, I think FMF was echoing your sentiment: if everyone who says they are Christian followed Christ's example to love everyone, the world would be a better place. (Also, it's going to be weeks before I can say "molotov cocktail" correctly now, lol.)
~CK
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You've got good and bad everywhere even in groups of Joss fans. I mean seriously, there are actually Joss fans who don't like Firefly. How bright can they be?
But on to Christians. I'm a Christian who has nothing against gays. I challenge anyone to show me where Jesus (Not Paul) said homosexuality was wrong. But he did have some pretty specific things to say about killin' as Zoe would say, yet many gay bashing Christians love bombing people. he also spoke at length about the evils of divorce yet no one seems to be talking about a constitutional amendment to ban divorce. wow that got a little off topic...sorry.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Agatsu:
I don't believe in any god, but I still consider myself to be a good person - and I don't have any rule book to follow, only my heart. Should I be proven wrong after all and it turns out there IS a god, he can hardly be mad at me, now can he. Too many people are using religion as an excuse for their sh*t and interpreting religious text to fit their agendas and believes. I don't have that excuse, and I don't want to have it. The people whose paths I cross in life are the judges of me, not some god after I die.
Now picture yourself being born into ANY religion, and you disagree with one of the rules (e.g.: gays=bad). Do you change your religion? Nope, you ignore that rule but don't make a big fuzz about it because you don't want any trouble with your fellow worshippers.
On a side note, you can chose your religion, but you can't chose your sexual orientation. Just an observation.
It has been argued that a Godless man who is good is moreso than one motivated by dogmatic piety.
Think:
Morality
for love of
Humanity
not fear of
Divinity
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"Laws against homosexual behavior should remain on the books, not to be indiscriminately enforced against anyone who happens to be caught violating them, but to be used when necessary to send a clear message that those who flagrantly violate society's regulation of sexual behavior cannot be permitted to remain as acceptable, equal citizens within that society."
i read the entire thread including links at whedonesque and that's the paragraph that stuck with me throughout. "cannot be permitted to remain as acceptable, equal citizens within that society" - i get a chill just reading that. people don't hate him for his beliefs, they hate him because he wants to put what he considers undesirables into what, labour camps? equating his hatred for homosexuals with their hatred of him is complete and utter nonsense.
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Just between you and me (please don't tattle to the Whedonesque mods, cause I don't wanna be banned) they do get into some self-important holier-than-thou crap over there occasionally. I am very sorry you have been hurt by their prejudice and I hope you'll realize it is not representative of everyone who is a member at Whedonesque, as you know it isn't the way people feel here at fff.
It is too bad: they do actually have rules and guidelines about not attacking any individual (but of course opinions expressed can be attacked, but are usually debated with something like polite restraint).
The whole point of the Browncoats/Independents is that we want to allow the individual/minority views to have their place in the sun. We don't need ANY Alliance telling everyone that they must think the same way. I disagree about being Gay being a sin, but of course (like Mal) I'm already a fan of all 7 of those deadly ones!
I hadn't previously looked at that thread but I can see that it is raging out of control as we speak! But regardless of what is said over there, I hope you'll always know that here at fff there isn't some stigma on any religion or on any group of good Browncoats.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Shannara:
equating his hatred for homosexuals with their hatred of him is complete and utter nonsense.
Hatred is hatred is hatred. Don't matter who or what. Somebody does wrong to you so you wrong 'em right back? There's a recipe for hurt.
Edited to add:
I had no idea that he'd made those kinds of statements. Check the original post: I was careful use "as far as I know." Guess now I know. Don't mean I won't still read his works. He remains a pretty decent writer. I just wish that people who hold those more extreme views would realize that legislating morality has a dismal success rate.
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