*******FIRE FLY 3D PROJECT *********
POSTED BY: thinkr
UPDATED: Monday, November 12, 2012 14:05
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Back when I originally produced the plans you're working off of, I started working on a side view of the decks and how they fit together. I put in so many hours creating the deckplans though, that I ran out of steam for the side view. I have a mostly complete upper deck side view and just some quick scratch work to see how the lower deck fit into place.
Everything appears to fit together perfectly as far as I completed it. As far as the upper, lower and mid decks, they all fit together perfectlly from a top down view. I created each deck area seperately based on my screencap observations. When I completed them, I decided to see how close they came to being able to fit together and was very pleasantly surprised that they overlay each other and meshed to the foot.
Here are the original deckplans I posted in the Blue Sun Room. Much larger and easier to work off of...
http://www.fireflyfans.net/sunroomitem.asp?i=704
http://www.fireflyfans.net/sunroomitem.asp?i=705
Below are the two other diagrams, one of the upper and lower decks overlaid and the other is my side view as far as I completed it. As you can see, there wasn't a problem with the overall height of any of the substructure for the decks.
If you have any questions concerning anything about the interior design of Serenity, I feel I'm pretty 'intimate' with the series as presented. Just drop me a line and I'll answer, if possible.
gaidheal
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Wow, wow! Please keep this up! I'm not sure how I can contribute, since I do more playing than making games, but anything I can do I will.
Very very cool! Do you have anything yet that can be loaded up and walked around in HL2?
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Been comming to the forums for a long time but joined up just to post this. Lookin good. I was thinking about doing the same thing but got wrapped up in schoolin (curse you college education!). I was thinking about the Call of Duty Engine (which is in fact a hopped up Quake 3 Engine) but the Source engine allows for a lot more dynamic lighting and physics and what not.
The only problem I see of a Serenity HL2 map is it may not be ideal for Deathmatch games and whatnot. Some sort of capture the flag would be sick though. Flags in the cargo hold and the bridge maybe?
Anyways, like what your doing so far. If ya need any help let me know. Used to use hammer for HL-1, and mapped and scripted heavily (well still do) for Call of Duty. Just got to reacquaint myself with Hammer from using Radient all these years. Also aint that bad with photoshop but dont really have any experience with texturing other than basic stuff. Kepp up teh good work yo!
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Gaidheal, your work is awesome, and is the basis for the model I'm building. Your original floor maps have informed the measurements I'm using.
Thank you so much for these new floorplans - they are killer!
I do, however, have some small issues. Or rather, let's say I'm opening it to debate, and I'm hoping you can help me better understand.
In the side picture you've provided, the stairwell leading from the engine room corridor down to the medical bay has multiple sets of stairs in it. This is an elegant solution to the height problem I'm harping on about, but doesn't (unless I've missed something) tie in to either the series or the movie.
It's true that in the series you never see anyone anyone actually go down or up these stairs - apart from the last flight into medbay. So it could be argued that they exist. But in the movie, you have a sequence where Simon and Mal head down this way and the camera tracks with them. No staircases. It's a gently sloping corridor until the flight into the medbay. And this has been the basis for my height issues.
I hasten to add that I do like your solution, and on going back and looking more carefully, I've found at least one shot of River that *implies* there might be a stairwell there as you've drawn it. You've given me a lot to think about.
If I could make a request: can you slap a scale indicator on the overlay you posted above? That would be a help.
Many thanks.
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I've added a scale to the overlay, per your request.
As far as all the stairs and the height issues...
The stairs to the front of Serenity (forward passage down to the cargo bay floor) are all accurate and seen in many of the episodes.
The stairs connecting the aft passage to the stairs leading down to the medical bay area are speculation. There are stairs leading from the medical bay area floor up to a small landing and then an approximate 90 degree left takes you up more stairs. This can be seen in the episode "The Train Job" starting at about 9m48s into the episode. Mal & Book are climbing the stairs from the lower deck to the upper deck. After Mal makes the turn and continues toward the front of the ship the scene is cut and he is shown coming up stairs and turning into the small nook off the aft passage between the dining room and the engine room. Book has been talking continuously during this walk and this is where a problem arises. Mal appears to walk up 10-12 steps before he reaches the little upper deck passage. Way short for the height he has to climb to clear the cargo bay below. I personally have reconciled this to the fact that they were exiting one set (the lower decks of Serenity) and entering the second set (the upper decks). For continuity and flow, they didn't show them walking up yet more stairs connecting the decks.
As I said before, I know the stairs in the forward part of the ship are accurate, so the speculation for more stairs to clear the cargo bay seemed fairly obvious to me. The only real question would be where the second landing is at.
If I ever complete the side view of the ship, that particular section of the stairs would be in dashed lines like all other areas of the ship that are never seen on camera, but are assumed to exist. The passage to the rear of the medical bay, for example, or the area Book comes walking out of in the dining room. Pantry maybe?
Long winded, but I hope that helps.
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Oh my goodness, you're totally right! How did I miss that? Many thanks! It's wonderful to run into someone as nerdy about this as I am :D
You're clearly bang on about the two sets. The show's creators seem to have tumbled to the height issue, too, based on the changes they made in the movie: lowering both the cargo bay and they entire aft section (stepping down from the dining into the engine room corridor instead of up).
These combined dips solve the need for the landing in the series ship: but there seems to have been a screw up in the FX department. In Serenity, when Mal and Simon walk down from the engine room corridor to the medical bay, the existing stairwell is missing, replaced my a slightly sloping corridor, and thus undoing the whole point of dropping the aforementioned sections of the ship.
I'm going to go with your speculation because unless someone can come up with a more compelling explanation, or Joss Whedon posts here, your idea has a ring of serious truthiness about it. Hope to have new screenshots up by next weekend.
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For those that care, here is an update. Thanks to Gaidheal's superb maps, I started from scratch, and have made rapid, accurate progress. We're already upstairs!
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Wow that newest update is really nice good work - when it gets done i have to see if i can get it on halo and play a shotguns only round - if this will work on halo.
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This is a great thread! For those interested, I'm working on a similar project myself. Check out the thread here.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=12&t=27659
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