Evolutionary Debate
POSTED BY: AnthonyT
UPDATED: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 16:16
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6-string
I know you claim to be not religious, but you do seem to keep up with the latest whacko claims. Someone at work told me about this and I didn't believe anything so stupid could be true - but it is:
"Intelligent falling". That seems to be your argument here.
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""Things fall not because they are acted upon by some gravitational force, but because a higher intelligence, 'God' if you will, is pushing them down," said Gabriel Burdett, who holds degrees in education, applied Scripture, and physics from Oral Roberts University.
According to the ECFR paper published simultaneously this week in the International Journal Of Science and the adolescent magazine God's Word For Teens!, there are many phenomena that cannot be explained by secular gravity alone, including such mysteries as how angels fly, how Jesus ascended into Heaven, and how Satan fell when cast out of Paradise."
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And Burdett holds a degree in physics from Oral Roberts University (non-accredited) AND published in the 'International Journal of Science', so of course this is a valid challenge to the theory of gravity.
Right?
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I also have a mea culpa. Somewhere in one of these threads I indicated evolution is only controversial in fundamentalist societies - I may have used either Pakistan or Iran as examples, or both.
It turns out the example is Turkey.
""The lowest-ranking country in terms of discounting evolution is Turkey. The United States is next," said Miller, who has analyzed surveys on belief in evolution from around the world. " ...we characterize religious fundamentalists in Turkey and in the U.S. (as) one-book religions.
"Fundamentalists in this country say everything you need to know is in the Bible, period. Islamists say everything you need to know is in the Koran, period," said Miller, a professor in political science."
My apologies to Pakistanis and Iranians.
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Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
""The lowest-ranking country in terms of discounting evolution is Turkey. The United States is next," said Miller, who has analyzed surveys on belief in evolution from around the world. " ...we characterize religious fundamentalists in Turkey and in the U.S. (as) one-book religions.
w00t!!!
WE'RE NUMBER TWO!!!! WE'RE NUMBER TWO!!!!
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If current trends are anything to go by, you'll be number one soon enough.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.
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Quote:Actually intelligent falling first appeared in "The Onion" as a joke mocking Intelligent design.
Originally posted by rue:
"Intelligent falling".
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/39512
I can't seem to find any mention of Rev. Gabriel Burdett or Evangelical Center For Faith-Based Reasoning out side of connections to this story originally posted by the Onion, the only 'news' site to provide us with the story of the A-Teams exoneration of all crimes by George W. Bush...
I think it's most likely that it's nothing more than a joke that some people have mistaken for real, not that I blame them, the brainless morons who mistake Intelligent Design for Science would likely have come up with Intelligent Falling eventually, along with intelligent seeing (light rays don't propegate via electromagnatism, they are pushed along by Gods toy train set), Intelligent Continental Drift, Intelligent Water...
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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6String- science may not be in your face every day, but reality is. At least you're open to reality. Some aren't.
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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Sadly, 'intelligent falling' now has a following in the US. 
As to whether 6-string is open to reality, it depends on if he really believes what he calls the Elmer Fudd theory of gravity. If you keep on running and don't look down you won't fall.
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i personally think thats pretty lame to bring out the straw-man fundementalists, and accuse all ID as being Creationists; there is a difference. IDs say that evolution, and the theory of abiogenesis havent conclusively proven anything... and an honost scientist will admit that he doesnt know every mechanism of the universe- and cant physically account for or validify something allegedly billions of years removed from us. maybe at some point we will learn for sure whether intelligent, complex organisms, or all life on earth for that matter.. could have arisen naturally, on its own accord, or whether it needed an intelligence to seed it. ive heard IDs claim that you cant genetically reduce the smallest organism we know, beyond a certain number of strands, before you reach the hardware(the creation); which would also prove ID.
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Quote:ID is repackaged Creation, it's not science and your entire argument has been pretty lame and based entirely on your own lack of knowledge.
Originally posted by antimason:
i personally think thats pretty lame to bring out the straw-man fundementalists, and accuse all ID as being Creationists; there is a difference. IDs say that evolution, and the theory of abiogenesis havent conclusively proven anything... and an honost scientist will admit that he doesnt know every mechanism of the universe- and cant physically account for or validify something allegedly billions of years removed from us. maybe at some point we will learn for sure whether intelligent, complex organisms, or all life on earth for that matter.. could have arisen naturally, on its own accord, or whether it needed an intelligence to seed it. ive heard IDs claim that you cant genetically reduce the smallest organism we know, beyond a certain number of strands, before you reach the hardware(the creation); which would also prove ID.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Quote:You shittin' me??? It was a parody!
Sadly, 'intelligent falling' now has a following in the US
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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