Joss won't be making 'Wonder Woman'
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UPDATED: Monday, February 19, 2007 07:53
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Here's what I posted on Whedonesque:
I'm sure you have mixed feelings about letting WW go, Joss, but it will probably prove to be for the best. WW is a difficult project, and my personal opinion is that it's a trap; A project that may never see the light of day, and will suck if it ever does. -Especially now that you're not part of it!
As your fans, we all have our own take on what you should pursue as your next Project. But you, who have taught us so well that "the Journey is the Worthier Part", have your own path set before you. Please know that we will follow you on your Journey wherever it should lead, be it Comics, Movies, TV, Shadow Puppets, Radio....
We're with you, Boss :)
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How many times has a writer just walked away from something instead of compromising on his vision?
Damm few. Most of the time the writer will just bow to the powers that be and produce at best another run of the mill movie that disappoints at the box office or at worst really, really bombs.
Better to remian true to your artistic vision and make great movies that don't make much money. He displayed extraordinary grace under lots of pressure. He could have come out and really lambasted WB and air his grievances in public like most of Hollywood but he didn't.
I think in a perverse way it may inhance any other movie that Joss makes. The studios now know that he will only compromise so much and that both Joss and the studio better have the same vision in order to get a movie made.
That and the rising stars of the cast of Firefly/Serenity I think will insure that at least another BDM will be made.
BTW I agree that WW will definately flop now.
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Originally posted by babywiththepower:
Rather then bemoan the current situation, why not give Joss the credit he deserves?
I believe I did when I said: "Just like him... brave, fine and good thru and thru. That must have been wicked hard to do."
My comment doesn't demean Joss' integrity. His integrity is not in question.
My comment doesn't just relate to Joss, it relates to everyone's reaction here that this is an opportunity for him to work on Firefly/Serenity. It's not.
It doesn't improve the odds that there will be a sequel to the BDM.
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This isn't a setback for Joss, nor is it a springboard. It's simply another turn down the exiting adventure that is his career.
I'm sorry I disagree with you about this not being a setback for Joss. ( First understand that my next two sentences do not mean that I think it's Joss' fault.) The perception in Hollywood is that Firefly failed. The fact is that the BDM failed at the box office, although I believe personally that it's sold wonderfully on DVD. Now Joss is no longer attached to an opportunity that he had to be involved with a potential blockbuster. This is not a wonderful moment in his career nor were the other two. This doesn't however mean that I believe that he won't recover from this and work his magic as always.
I just believe that the chances he has to work that magic with the 'Verse are slimmer now.
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Believe me, I am. I wouldn't want to be anyplace else and I told him so over on Whedonesque.
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Originally posted by ncbrowncoat:
BTW I agree that WW will definately flop now.
I agree as well.
I'll certainly not be going to see it, as the only reason I ever thought about watching it was the chance to see Joss work his magic up on that screen again.
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I think Joss is in a relatively bad position now as a movie script writer.
First, his take on "Alien IV" hasn't been exactly appreciated by many fans of the franchise (that would include me). In the DVD interviews, it becomes pretty clear that some of the "higher-ups" at Fox felt (and probably still feel) the same way.
Second, the BDM didn't do too well because of a lousy marketing campaign trying to sell it as your standard "Star Wars/Trek"-derivative which is - as we all know - pretty far off.
And now this "Wonder Woman"-case. In the eyes of the producers, Joss basically wrote a crappy script (I bet that's what they are going say) and Joss decided not to let his vision get raped by some unknown "script fixers".
Now where does that leave him (and us)? He is an ingenious writer, but his attempts at full scale movie scripts have not worked too well for him in the past and I wonder how many chances he will get in the future. Not too many, I am afraid.
After all, his position in the business as a whole is weakened by this.
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Yes, but this is still another big-screen movie that Joss won't be getting credit for.
And all those who are saying Wonder Woman isn't an interesting character; have you even read the comics? I was eager to see what Joss could've done with her.
Any chance we can talk him into "accidentally" releasing what he has done of the script? If it's not gonna reflect the film itself, then I fail to see the harm.
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Originally posted by CBY:
I think Joss is in a relatively bad position now as a movie script writer.
First, his take on "Alien IV" hasn't been exactly appreciated by many fans of the franchise (that would include me). In the DVD interviews, it becomes pretty clear that some of the "higher-ups" at Fox felt (and probably still feel) the same way.
Second, the BDM didn't do too well because of a lousy marketing campaign trying to sell it as your standard "Star Wars/Trek"-derivative which is - as we all know - pretty far off.
And now this "Wonder Woman"-case. In the eyes of the producers, Joss basically wrote a crappy script (I bet that's what they are going say) and Joss decided not to let his vision get raped by some unknown "script fixers".
Now where does that leave him (and us)? He is an ingenious writer, but his attempts at full scale movie scripts have not worked too well for him in the past and I wonder how many chances he will get in the future. Not too many, I am afraid.
After all, his position in the business as a whole is weakened by this.
I don't disagree on any particular point. In fact, I agree with everything you said wholeheartedly. And painful as it is to hear, it's also true.
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I'd kind of given up on a sequel anyway and I agree with the people who say this makes it less likely.
I'd like to see goners made soon but it's probably going to be harder to get someone to make that now too 
maybe he'll go back to tv where he's got a much better track record and more bankability? as long as he's doing something I don't really mind what it is...
and in the meantime we've got buffy 8 to keep us going 
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To me this is an "OK" situation. This isn't a "you'll never work in this town again" instance. This is more akin to the whole Kevin Smith/Jon Peter's SUPERMAN incident, where it was just a respected writer/director/comic book geek gets a chance to work on a huge project, him and the producer don't see eye to eye and they split amicably.
And to tell you the truth, that's probably the best outcome of a situation like that. Keep in mind that he was working with Joel Silver. I don't know if a lot of you guys know this, but he had a cameo in WHO FRAMED ROGER RABBIT as the hot headed director who was berating Roger for seeing birds instead of stars. "I'm not worried about you, I'm worried about the refrigerator!!" And on the commentary track, Bob Zemekis says that he wasn't acting. Next to Don Simpson, Scott Rudin and Harvey Weinstein, Silver is notorious for being the loud mouthed, egocentric, bullying producer who eats assistants for breakfast. So I'm pretty sure that him and Joss would have been butting heads and having screaming matches every day on set.
Only now, we're probably going to miss out on some great stories from Joss about how much a fucked up, kooky dude Joel Silver is.
So yeah, him dropping out of WONDER WOMAN is probably a blessing in disguise. He can do GONERS, which might have the potential to be his PAN'S LABRYNTH (even though I felt PAN'S was slightly overrated), which can get him enough clout to make SERENITY 2. Look at Guiellermo Del Toro. He's prepping for HELLBOY 2, which actually sounds better than the original. Or maybe, just maybe, he might get back into TV, and hopefully on a creative friendly cable network, like SCI-FI or that great dangling carrot known as HBO. I always thought Joss and HBO would make a good match. HBO has always had that policy of "Do what you want, we'll pick up the tab."
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Even though Wonder Woman is now probably going to get focus-grouped to death trying to work out a movie that appeals to everyone under the sun, in my opinion WB just lost themselves an easy $20 million from the Browncoat community.
From everyone else's comments, odds are most of us won't be seeing this now. I still might, since I'm a sucker for comic book films. But that's not the point. In a strange way, WB just alienated a whole demographic by dropping Joss.
Not really saying it's good or bad. I just think it's an odd nuance to the whole thing.
As to what this means for the future of Firefly, I think the whole thing just got thrown back up into the air.
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