No, THIS is what going crazy must feel like.
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UPDATED: Wednesday, August 26, 2026 18:21
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Originally posted by citizen:
If we include this do I get to say the US funded terrorism against the UK because a large amount of IRA funding came from US Citizens?
Actually, since such activities were illegal under US Law, no you don't.
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Quote:If America ever uses nuclear weapons you can kiss your arse good bye. Doesn't matter who the weapons are launched against every other nuclear power (China, Russia etc) that is anti-US or has a history of such would be firing back. No one, not even GWB, is going to be launching nuclear weapons until after the end of the world.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Hey Cit....
If America wanted to really throw its millitary weight around, the Middle East would look like Superman's Fortress of Solitude by now.
Sand + Nukes = Glass.
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Quote:And for years the US did fuck all to stop it. It was, after all, only terrorism killing foriegners.
Originally posted by Razza:
Actually, since such activities were illegal under US Law, no you don't.
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Quote:The problem is that "UN resolution-enforcment" is as you say: a rationalization, not a reason. A rationalization is, at best, an excuse that can be logically but not realistically defended. We can tell that correspondance with reality is lacking because the outcome of an action is not what was predicted by the justification.
Enforcing UN resolutions was a legitimate rationalization for the war. The US and the UK voted for and helped draft each of those resolution. And more importantly, the US and the UK were responsible for enforcement of those resolutions under the auspices of the UNSC. One of the reasons, bin Laden gave for 9/ll was the existence of US bases and operations in Iraq and Saudi Arabia in response to UN resolutions. So the US had direct responsibility in drafting these resolution, direct responsibility in enforcing these resolutions and they were taking casualties because of it. So the enforcement of UN resolutions by the US and the UK is absolutely a legitimate rationalization.
So, for example, as you say the US and UK had "authority" to enforce UN resolutions under the UNSC. But that is not the same as saying the that the USA and UK had UNSC "support" for the invasion, and in fact the USA avoided a UNSC vote on the topic in order "not to split" the SC (i.e. in order to invade without having to deal with SC opposition.) So, sure, the US Administration could justify to itself what it wanted to do but that justification was tissue-thin, and of no practical help in the matter.
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Quote:There was no UN mandate. That’s right.
Originally posted by SignyM:
So, for example, as you say the US and UK had "authority" to enforce UN resolutions under the UNSC. But that is not the same as saying the that the USA and UK had UNSC "support" for the invasion,
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Quote:Also London is Al Qaeda principle ideological headquarters in the Western World. So if Citizen wants to point to a few fruitcakes in the US, I’ll just point to 30% of the London Muslim community who support Al Qaeda, including organization that bin Laden directly communicated with. There are fruitcakes in every country and the more liberal those countries are the easier it becomes for the fruitcakes to operate clandestinely.
Originally posted by Razza:
Actually, since such activities were illegal under US Law, no you don't.
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Quote:Except Britain is doing something about it, America didn't give a shit for decades.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:Quote:Also London is Al Qaeda principle ideological headquarters in the Western World. So if Citizen wants to point to a few fruitcakes in the US, I’ll just point to 30% of the London Muslim community who support Al Qaeda, including organization that bin Laden directly communicated with. There are fruitcakes in every country and the more liberal those countries are the easier it becomes for the fruitcakes to operate clandestinely.
Originally posted by Razza:
Actually, since such activities were illegal under US Law, no you don't.
Oh and 30%, making up statistics are we?
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Quote:Sounds like bullshit to me.
Originally posted by citizen:
Except Britain is doing something about it, America didn't give a shit for decades.
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So 'Rap, are you ready for serious discussion?
'Rap: So, because the incubator story was likely exaggerated, Iraq didn't invade Kuwait and there were zero attrocities committed by Saddam's armies?
Signy: Do you really think we'll be diverted by this pathetic straw man? Silly man!
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Quote:Yep that's about the best we can expect from you Finn. How many of your hard earned dollars went to blowing up innocents in London I wonder.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:Quote:Sounds like bullshit to me.
Originally posted by citizen:
Except Britain is doing something about it, America didn't give a shit for decades.
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