Where does 'Serenity ' end? What planet?

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SEANCJ

Friday, February 2, 2007 5:41 PM

Hi guys!
I have a few questions:
1. Where is the ship being fixed at the end of the movie? Are they still on Mr. Universe's planet? Common sense says that's where they are but I wasn't so sure becuase when they left, there was no "pretty pretty lights" electrical/ion atmosphere, only a stormy sky.
2. Where were Book, Wash, and Mr. Universe buried? Again, it appears they are still on Mr U's planet. Were the bodies actually buried there or were these just monuments to our friends? I can't see why they would bury Wash and Book right next to Mr. Universe. Mr U was not actually part of the crew and sure, they appeared to be 'friendlys' with him, but not 'family'. I guess one place is as good as any since their true home is Serenity.
3. Did the Alliance help put Serenity back together again? Or was this help from some maintenance/shipyard crew on Mr. U's planet?
Thanks for the help.

"You wanna run this ship?"
"Yes"
"Well,...you can't"

CYBERSNARK

Friday, February 2, 2007 6:41 PM

Serenity was patched up elsewhere (the novelization says Eavesdown, but it could be anywhere. They were brought there by the Operative after leaving Mr. Universe's world.

I'm guessing that the dead were buried (or memorialized, whichever) on Haven.

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DONCOAT

Friday, February 2, 2007 6:49 PM

Good questions.

Opinions vary on some of these. What follows are my own thoughts and they aren't necessarily a consensus among the browncoats here.

1. I don't think Serenity was flyable at the end of the movie, so it had to be one of two things. Either the repairs were done on U's planet, or the Alliance gave them the equivalent of a tow to the nearest facility. I don't think the latter is likely, so I vote for Mr. U's place. However, that too has problems, as it seemed that little planetoid was basically U's private haunt; why would there be a repair yard there? Speculation: it was once a populated planet but was abandoned some time before U took it over. (Pax again?) The facilities were still intact, and the Serenity crew made use of them.

2. By the same argument as (1), on Mr. U's planetoid. Interesting corollary question: was Mr. U's lovebot buried with him? She's visible in the memorial image. Further corollary: are these even graves at all? Maybe they're just memorial stones. Again, Book wouldn't have been there unless they brought his body from Haven.

3. Mal acknowledges that the Operative "patched up their hurt". That may only mean the crew, but then Serenity is the 10th character, so Mal may have been including her among those hurt and patched up on the Operative's orders.

Incidentally, the movie novelization by KRAD indicates that the last scenes occur somewhere else (can't remember where), and that Serenity flew there under her own power. A likely story! No way you could fly her on one thruster, in my opinion... never mind the fact that you have a big hole in the bridge window.

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GILLACATAN

Friday, February 2, 2007 7:17 PM

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Originally posted by DonCoat:
Good questions.

Opinions vary on some of these. What follows are my own thoughts and they aren't necessarily a consensus among the browncoats here.

1. I don't think Serenity was flyable at the end of the movie, so it had to be one of two things. Either the repairs were done on U's planet, or the Alliance gave them the equivalent of a tow to the nearest facility. I don't think the latter is likely, so I vote for Mr. U's place. However, that too has problems, as it seemed that little planetoid was basically U's private haunt; why would there be a repair yard there? Speculation: it was once a populated planet but was abandoned some time before U took it over. (Pax again?) The facilities were still intact, and the Serenity crew made use of them.

2. By the same argument as (1), on Mr. U's planetoid. Interesting corollary question: was Mr. U's lovebot buried with him? She's visible in the memorial image. Further corollary: are these even graves at all? Maybe they're just memorial stones. Again, Book wouldn't have been there unless they brought his body from Haven.

3. Mal acknowledges that the Operative "patched up their hurt". That may only mean the crew, but then Serenity is the 10th character, so Mal may have been including her among those hurt and patched up on the Operative's orders.

Incidentally, the movie novelization by KRAD indicates that the last scenes occur somewhere else (can't remember where), and that Serenity flew there under her own power. A likely story! No way you could fly her on one thruster, in my opinion... never mind the fact that you have a big hole in the bridge window.

Actually, in one of the extras on the DVD, Mal order Inara and Simon to include Book among the bodies they strap to Serenity's hull. So, they did have his body...

As for where they were at the end, the novelization says the Eavesdown docks (so Pesephone), but I think is was Beaumonde, as Joss likes to have a circuitous story arc; Beaumonde was where the main plot really begins, so it should be where the story ends. Granted, the same argument can be applied to Persephone, as that's where Simon and River came on board in the first place.

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GILLACATAN

Friday, February 2, 2007 7:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DonCoat:
Good questions.

Opinions vary on some of these. What follows are my own thoughts and they aren't necessarily a consensus among the browncoats here.

1. I don't think Serenity was flyable at the end of the movie, so it had to be one of two things. Either the repairs were done on U's planet, or the Alliance gave them the equivalent of a tow to the nearest facility. I don't think the latter is likely, so I vote for Mr. U's place. However, that too has problems, as it seemed that little planetoid was basically U's private haunt; why would there be a repair yard there? Speculation: it was once a populated planet but was abandoned some time before U took it over. (Pax again?) The facilities were still intact, and the Serenity crew made use of them.

2. By the same argument as (1), on Mr. U's planetoid. Interesting corollary question: was Mr. U's lovebot buried with him? She's visible in the memorial image. Further corollary: are these even graves at all? Maybe they're just memorial stones. Again, Book wouldn't have been there unless they brought his body from Haven.

3. Mal acknowledges that the Operative "patched up their hurt". That may only mean the crew, but then Serenity is the 10th character, so Mal may have been including her among those hurt and patched up on the Operative's orders.

Incidentally, the movie novelization by KRAD indicates that the last scenes occur somewhere else (can't remember where), and that Serenity flew there under her own power. A likely story! No way you could fly her on one thruster, in my opinion... never mind the fact that you have a big hole in the bridge window.

Actually, in one of the extras on the DVD, Mal order Inara and Simon to include Book among the bodies they strap to Serenity's hull. So, they did have his body...

As for where they were at the end, the novelization says the Eavesdown docks (so Pesephone), but I think is was Beaumonde, as Joss likes to have a circuitous story arc; Beaumonde was where the main plot really begins, so it should be where the story ends. Granted, the same argument can be applied to Persephone, as that's where Simon and River came on board in the first place.

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Someday, we'll look back on all of this, laugh nervously and change the subject.

GILLACATAN

Friday, February 2, 2007 7:19 PM

Whoops, double post

CHRISISALL

Friday, February 2, 2007 7:30 PM

Can't the Alliance just fly in a portable 'repair yard' to fix planet-bound ships needing work?

Just a thought Chrisisall

CHRISTHECYNIC

Friday, February 2, 2007 7:36 PM

That [taking Book] was a joke, hence the fact it was in the blooper reel and not the deleted scenes bit.

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Ok, so where were they? I've got no idea. But I have to say that from my way of looking at things the "Patching up our hurt" must have included the ship.

Mal couldn't afford to keep important pieces on the ship, how could he afford the repairs needed at the end of the movie? He did get a take from the job, but did anyone get the impression it was a job that was that good?

Anyway
1 The monuments were not grave markers, because if they were there would have been graves near them. (This doesn't remove the possibility that they could hold a person's ashes, but that wouldn't make them grave markers. It would just mean that all three had been set on fire. That would certainly make transport easier.)
2 The planet they left at the end couldn't have been the same one as Mr. Universe's world because of the lack of ion thingy.
3 The fact that they didn't seem to fix the cockpit until they got to that planet implies that they didn't drive there on their own.

If I had to guess based on that I'd say the operative had Serenity towed or carried in cargo (some of those ships were big enough to have a hold that could fit her) somewhere else.

KALLYN

Friday, February 2, 2007 7:50 PM

Perhaps the Operative gathered Serenity up in a ship's cargo bay, and brought them to Evesdown. (As suggested by the novelization.) There were some pretty big ships there.

I think that they were memorials as opposed to graves. And notice that Mal tells them to put Book on the ship in the _outtakes_. Nathan was joking there. If you notice, in the same rant, he wanted to "get the kid who's taking a dirt nap with baby Jesus. We need a hood ornament." Personaly, I think that they cremate them in the 'verse. There is no evedence to support that theory, except a lack of actual graves for the characters anywhere. Notice that there is no desturbed ground near the memorials. (I think they were on Haven.)

If you watch the commentary of the BDM, you notice that Joss says, (while Mal puts his hand on a dead Mr. U's shoulder,) that Mal likes this guy. He paid the ultimate price to help them, and right then and there, he accepted him as his crew, hence he was 'memorialized' with Wash and Book.

Finally, as stated before, Mal says to the Operative, "Patching up our hurt." It wouldn't make sense that it would only be the crew, because Simon is a doctor. As well as the quote came after the repairs, when they were packing up to leave.

My 2 cents anyways.

-Kall ::Everyone dies alone...::

DONCOAT

Friday, February 2, 2007 7:59 PM

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Originally posted by Gillacatan:
Actually, in one of the extras on the DVD, Mal order Inara and Simon to include Book among the bodies they strap to Serenity's hull. So, they did have his body...

True, but that was in an outtake, which was made strictly for laughs (and did it ever work on that score!)

I don't think anybody considers that to be canon, not by a long shot.

On strictly logical grounds, the best answer is for the Alliance to have provided a "tugboat" to give Serenity and her crew a lift to a repair yard. But that assumes that the Alliance would be willing to do that for somebody who just gave them one of the biggest black eyes they've ever had.

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