Why am I hurting myself?

POSTED BY: Bringitback
UPDATED: Sunday, February 4, 2007 03:37
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RMMC

Thursday, February 1, 2007 3:30 AM

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Thanks RMMC.

You're very welcome.

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I have brought both the DVD series and the DVD film so I've done my part...for now.

Next come the recruiting of family, friends and strangers on street corners and in stores and...well, you get the picture.

You'll notice folks talking about having 'loaner sets.' Those are extra copies of the show they have specifically for loaning to folks to get them hooked. It works.

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Funny story, when I was buying 'Serenity' the clerk goes to his mate "Another Serenity! I think I may have to see this film." Which made me happy.

Things like that never fail to bring happiness to my heart. *happy dance*

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I agree with your thoughts on Book's death motivating Mal and the crew but I'm deeply dissapointed that 'IF' the show/movie comes back that he can't be around to give the big "Ok, this is my history." speech.

I wouldn't put it from the complete realm of possibility. Nothing says he didn't do a capture of and explaination to Mal and the rest to be seen in the event of his death. As FollowMal said...trust in Joss.

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As for the future of the show. I read earlier that Joss will only do it if confronted by a different TV network. He refuses to work with Fox again.

I wouldn't trust that network any farther than I could comfortably spit a dead rat that had bubonic plague. Considering all the sh*t The Network That Shall Not be named pulled, its a wonder any production company will do business with them.

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The problem the browncoats have had is not fox (even though fox are...well..fox) but finding a new home for the show.

If we can't even get a sequel to a movie that won numerous awards and dominates DVD sales, why would any new TV network have a shot at us?

The same way that the fledgling WB did for Buffy...give Joss free rein to do the show his way. Funny how well that worked for both sides, wasn't it?

Folks over here are pinning hops on the SciFi channel. I personally dunno. Their track record isn't anything to write home about, either, but they are at least known for giving SF shows another chance when their original networks give up. If they do, I'll have to get satellite TV. I feel about the cable company the same way I do a certain network.

The biggest problem in getting FF on air again is fear. Fear is what keeps the networks from going with it. It's not like anything else that's on: it doesn't talk down to folks, it's not a reality show or a forensics show, and it doesn't stick to any one genre. They're afraid to take it, they're really afraid to try to market it because it can't be pidgeon-holed. If they can't label it and quantify it and say, "oh, it's like such-and-such" to explain it, they're terrified of it and won't touch it with a ten foot pole. (random question: why is the rutting pole always ten feet?)

And...if it doesn't appeal to the absolute lowest common denominator, they run away in droves because the American networks don't think anyone watching has an IQ higher than an African Violet.

This would be why my TV is mostly off except to see the weather forcast or watch a DVD.

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Thanks for the drink

*lifts glass*

To Firefly!

To Firefly!

*downs a shot of whiskey*

*falls over*

yeah...I'm a cheap drunk.

*******
RMMC

When we're down, don't frown. Come join the camp-out at serenitymovie.org.

BRINGITBACK

Friday, February 2, 2007 12:41 AM

wow...

I really appreciate that post.

RMMC wrote:

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The biggest problem in getting FF on air again is fear. Fear is what keeps the networks from going with it. It's not like anything else that's on: it doesn't talk down to folks, it's not a reality show or a forensics show, and it doesn't stick to any one genre. They're afraid to take it, they're really afraid to try to market it because
it can't be pidgeon-holed. If they can't label it and quantify it and say, "oh, it's like such-and-such" to explain it, they're terrified of it and won't touch it with a ten foot pole. (random question: why is the rutting pole always ten feet?)

100% spot on. I could not have put it any better myself.

What I would like to know is who the hell do these people hire as their Marketing/PR Team!?

These supposed professionals should absolutely revel in the challenge and change that Firefly brought to the air. What an opportunity for them to do something different. I mean, I have recently finished a degree in Public Relations and Marketing and every time I think about the promotions for new television shows it makes me ill.

How do you think Firefly would of gone if it had half the promotions budget fox used with Lost? or heroes? or even bloody cheaters?

You know why thousands of fans didn't know about this show until it was too late? Because they didn't promote it!

idiot marketer #1: "I have a good idea to make this firefly show a winner and make us money."

idiot marketer #2: "Run a smart, comprehensive promotions campaign?"

Idiot marketer #1: "No even better! Lets just do nothing! If the show is any good it will gain an audience on its own. Why should I do my job?"

I was pretty naive to the happenings of a TV network pre-firefly. I've done my fair share of reading now and the stupidity of Television Networks never ceases to amaze me.

Thanks again for the post, I enjoyed every word of it. Hell, you've even lifted my spirits a little

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, February 2, 2007 1:05 AM

How bout:

You ever wonder what the guys Han Solo hung out with before he helped overthrow the government were like?

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

MAGDALENA

Friday, February 2, 2007 1:25 AM

Hey you!! BringitBack!! Such a terrific name and whereabouts are you from - I live in Melbourne mywonself and there are quite a few of us lurking about FFF.net!!

What a terrific post! What a terrific question - I think we could write a whole thesis or ten on such a question - but I sum it up as agreeing with Joss that once he killed Wash I believed they were all on borrowed time - I actually jumped up on my seat and shrieked at my best friend "Oh No!! Oh No!! He's going to kill them all...!!!" (meaning Joss...)

With Shepard Book, however, I think his interesting story is in the past though it could have future ramifications... I felt that he was the one who could die and the crew might spend some time (amybe another movie plot) coming to terms with the ramifications of who they really had living amongst them for so long... as well as unravelling his story - he and Wash could appear in a prequel or his story could be set in flash-back style...

And I, for one, have not given up hope of one day sitting in a cinema with that little knot of excitement in my tummy that is called anticipation and watching, for the first time, the next piece of the puzzle that is the story of Serenity/Firefly and all our beloved family/crew!

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"I can put one foot in front of the other - I'm Magdalena, & I'm marching with the 76th" http://76thbattalion.homestead.com/index.html

RMMC

Friday, February 2, 2007 3:39 AM

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wow...

I really appreciate that post.

Thanks. I do occasionally have a brain. I know sometimes folks here wonder.

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What I would like to know is who the hell do these people hire as their Marketing/PR Team!?

The lowest bidders of course. It's the American way. Shoddy work at a cut-rate price.

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These supposed professionals should absolutely revel in the challenge and change that Firefly brought to the air. What an opportunity for them to do something different. I mean, I have recently finished a degree in Public Relations and Marketing and every time I think about the promotions for new television shows it makes me ill.

Makes me ill, too. I still remember how F^&X marketed X-Files. They made it look like the 'Adventures From the Front Pages of the Weekly World News.' I cringed and decided I was absolutely not watching it baised on their stupid marketing. Although I can't blame marketing entirely. What goes out is what's approved by...the upper executive management. If they don't get it, it isn't used.

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How do you think Firefly would of gone if it had half the promotions budget fox used with Lost? or heroes? or even bloody cheaters?

I'd have settled for what was done to promote Dawson's Creek. The WB lobbied that sucker so much that I was sick to death of it before the show even aired, just from the ads that were run during Buffy. why is it the worst shows seem to get the most promotion? and the best ads?

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You know why thousands of fans didn't know about this show until it was too late? Because they didn't promote it!

I never saw an ad for it on F&*X. I only knew about it from discussions online and from articles in Starlog. Sad, innit?

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idiot marketer #1: "I have a good idea to make this firefly show a winner and make us money."

idiot marketer #2: "Run a smart, comprehensive promotions campaign?"

Idiot marketer #1: "No even better! Lets just do nothing! If the show is any good it will gain an audience on its own. Why should I do my job?"

OOO! I want #1's job! I'd love to have someone else do my work!

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I was pretty naive to the happenings of a TV network pre-firefly. I've done my fair share of reading now and the stupidity of Television Networks never ceases to amaze me.

I'd already seen the stupidity both here and abroad. I'd seen CBS get new upper management and the head honcho didn't like one of the top five shows, and wanted it gone. They moved the show's day and time slot weekly until they could can it claiming low ratings. (WKRP in Cincinnati if you were wondering)
I'd also seen the Beeb kill (it took years but they did it) two popular SF shows beacuse the guy in charge (Michael Grade *hawkspit*) didn't like then and didn't want the network known for things like Blake's 7 and Doctor Who. Twit!

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Thanks again for the post, I enjoyed every word of it. Hell, you've even lifted my spirits a little

Yea! It's been nice talking with ya as well. I'm glad you made the plunge and started posting.

Magda: HI!!!! *waves*

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RMMC

When we're down, don't frown. Come join the camp-out at serenitymovie.org.

YINYANG

Friday, February 2, 2007 3:48 AM

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(random question: why is the rutting pole always ten feet?)

For the same reason there are Ten Commandments: it sounds official.

Rules: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=22892
Voting: http://www.wunschliste.de/index.pl?vote&r=09

BRINGITBACK

Friday, February 2, 2007 4:11 AM

MAGDALENA:

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Hey you!! BringitBack!! Such a terrific name and whereabouts are you from - I live in Melbourne mywonself and there are quite a few of us lurking about FFF.net!!

Hey Mags.

Thanks re. my name.

Ive noticed the Australian contingent is pretty strong around here. Great to see!

I'm from the South East of Melbourne, A place called Cranbourne(we live in the nice bit of Cranny

)

Im sure your a big Magpies fan like my good self

Look forward to talking to you around here. Hopefully about A BIG DAMN SEQUEL!!

CANADIANRESERVE

Friday, February 2, 2007 7:17 AM

I am also new to this site...i just finished watching the last episode from my dads box set. wow...wth would shows like Hercules and Xena go on for so long but they cancel the first good sci fi show in ages...Fox sucks. i dont know what a brown coat is...but i do know im a new uber fan of this show. we must rise up all and bring this show back...or let the networks face our nerdy revolution!! :p (p.s. Wash was the guy i related most to. sucks he dies in the movie)

CANADIANRESERVE

Friday, February 2, 2007 7:17 AM

PHOENIXROSE

Friday, February 2, 2007 9:11 AM

*fixes thread title*

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