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Everybody passes the buck

POSTED BY: Malbadinlatin
UPDATED: Thursday, February 8, 2007 13:48
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Thursday, February 1, 2007 10:55 PM

Republicans blame Democrats, and vis versa for the war in Iraq. When congress voted to award President Bush the right to wage war AS HE SAW FIT, they all (except 1) became responsible for every American sacrificed in this tragic war. We the people are just as much to blame. After 911 everybody wanted to kill the terrorists. Now everyone blames somebody else for the catastrof#!k we find ourselves in. Let's face it, in order to keep factions from fighting each other in Iraq, you have to rule like Saddam did, anything short has been tried, and historically hasn't worked. We don't want to rule like Saddam, it's not our thing. So there are 2 choices, brutalize the people of Iraq, or get out and leave them the hell alone. We are all responsible for this, unless you are one of the very few that were not seduced by the dark side after 911.

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RUE
Thursday, February 1, 2007 11:45 PM

After 9/11 I was hoping for a leader who would have said - we've taken a serious hit and we'll find the perpetrators, but we won't give up what makes this country great. We are bigger, stronger, and wiser than that. We have a great and beautiful future waiting for us to chose it.

After 9/11 I wanted Bush to have bin Laden sent to the ICC, like Afghanistan called for. It seemed fair, and just. And it was far more reasonable to do that than attack an entire country to get a criminal. When Bush amped-up his rhetoric day after day - perpetrators, groups, countries - I realized 9/11 was just a tool for him.

I was shocked how people could be so easliy derailed from Afghanistan and bin Laden to Iraq and Hussein. Like a stupid irate bull trying to gore a red cape.

And I NEVER approved of Bush. After 9/11 I saw what a coward he is, and a liar.

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Thursday, February 1, 2007 11:49 PM

they want Iraq in chaos, certain DoD heads have admitted that a unified Iraq does not benefit America in any strategic way.. they need conflict and division, to prevent a pan-Arab union from being established and blocking off the western elite from their precious oil reserves; id even go as far as to say that psy-ops programs are being run in Iraq to stage terror and escalate tension for this very reason.. so more troops, and a bigger coalition/UN presence can impose themselves in the region permantly and continue their NWO makeover

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Friday, February 2, 2007 12:42 AM

When Bush stood on the pile that was the WTC and gave his little speech, I knew it would come to this. And the scared public bought it. Many still do. Fear rules with an iron fist- it's all throughout history.

I would have hoped we would've evolved beyond that by now.
What a dumb planet.

In need of a Firefly class transport Chrisisall

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Friday, February 2, 2007 12:54 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

When Bush stood on the pile that was the WTC and gave his little speech, I knew it would come to this. And the scared public bought it. Many still do. Fear rules with an iron fist- it's all throughout history.



i watched the video again the other day of his visit at the elementary school, the morning of 9/11.. i dont think its my imagination, but he has an awefully guilty look on his face; maybe it was just an intense focus.. trying to remember his lines about which plane crash he saw first

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I would have hoped we would've evolved beyond that by now.
What a dumb planet.



i can explain that.. there is no evolution

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Friday, February 2, 2007 1:08 AM

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Originally posted by Malbadinlatin:
catastrof#!k



Priceless.....

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Friday, February 2, 2007 1:26 AM

Well,

I'm not one of those who 'knew it all' beforehand. I didn't watch Bush's posturing and speechifying and realize instantly that we were headed this way.

I was shocked and angry, and I wanted revenge, and I was glad we were going to get some.

I was very happy to savage Afghanistan (actually, I still think that was worthwhile.)

I swallowed the notions about Iraq and WMD, and supported the decision to invade.

It wasn't until we found no WMD that I became shocked and angry in the other direction.

Then we set up shop in an ex-Iraq torture facility and started doing some torturing of our own.

And that's when my support for the war completely died away. That's also when I adopted this here signature quote below.

But I admit it. I was one of the rabble, cheering for war, and waiting to read the body counts of terrorist scum. I was a player in The Phantom Menace. I helped to sell us out to the Emperor.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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RUE
Friday, February 2, 2007 1:53 AM

AnthonyT

You are capable of great change, and I hope to learn from you.

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Friday, February 2, 2007 2:01 AM

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Originally posted by Malbadinlatin:
Let's face it, in order to keep factions from fighting each other in Iraq, you have to rule like Saddam did, anything short has been tried, and historically hasn't worked. We don't want to rule like Saddam, it's not our thing. So there are 2 choices, brutalize the people of Iraq, or get out and leave them the hell alone.

Neither of these options are good for the Iraqi people. Both of them could, in the short term, improve matters for the US, but not Iraq. And these aren’t necessarily the only two choices, just the two that provide a quick and easy solution for the US. A third option would be to stay and try to help the Iraqi government fix this problem. That’s not as attractive an option for the US, but it may be a far better option for Iraqis and I think we owe it to them to try our best to fix the mess in Iraq.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Friday, February 2, 2007 2:10 AM

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catastrof#!k


Ah, Comedy Central... you make it all better...

They're not passing the buck - they're playing hot potato. Burns something bad, though.

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