No, THIS is what going crazy must feel like.
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Wednesday, August 26, 2026 18:21
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Iraq was never a threat.. i wish the establishment parrots on both sides of the isle would admit that, so we can face up to the fact that the only war being fought is the post invasion conflict, because we invaded the place and people are fighting about it.
if i put this into perspective, its possible that a decade from now, UN troops could come into AMerica, to quell public unrest(dissent) or something, and with the support of a collaboration of nations, step onto our shores, middle america, and impose their beliefs and their law onto us
thats a very real threat, believe it or not, and ill never ever sumbit to some foreign authority. considering how religious the middle east is, i wouldnt take kindly either to a communist, secular humanist entity like the UN(and its luciferian NWO agenda) making decisions affecting my country- when theyre really just out to steal the people of the worlds national and personal sovereignty
its a similar case with our conflict, so i dont expect any less from the Iraqis, because even i see the war as a front for the globalists to bring the M.E. under the reigns of the NWO. i want the best for them, and if this were a legitimate campaign for world freedom, id actually be behind it.. but its not, its about planetary sumbission. i am loyal to my country, but even i see that it has been corrupted from the monetary system outwards, and is but a silhouette of her former self. until we restore AMerica from the inside out, it would be hypocritical of us to impose our system on others
and the war on terror, if al-qaeda were an actual, manifesting organization, would have been pursued like any criminal syndicate, to fullest extent of the law. but they dont exist, because terrorism is just a loaded political phrase, intended to classify any dissent against the state, and meant to be so vague as to eventually encompass all national citizens and criminal behavior. the trick to see passed the Orwellian doublespeak is easy: just substitute the "war on 'terror'" with 'freedom'.. then youll see where the progress is really being made
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Quote:But it does. Let me underline it for you in context so you can see it....
You'll note that NO WHERE in there does it mention 9/11, but several times the U.N.and Iraq are mentioned. Oh well, nice try.
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b) PRESIDENTIAL DETERMINATION.
In connection with the exercise of the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President shall, prior to such exercise or as soon there after as may be feasible, but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that
(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq, and
(2) acting pursuant to this resolution is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorists attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
(2) acting pursuant to this resolution is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorists attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.
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You'll note that NO WHERE in there does it mention 9/11, but several times the U.N.and Iraq are mentioned. Oh well, nice try.
Looks like it mentions it right there in Section 3, subsection B.2. Under Presidential Determination, which is the justification section. Using the 9/11 attacks as his reasoning. I guess it really was a nice try.
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Hey! SignyM! No beating me to my posts! You just had to hit submit 30 seconds before me, didn't you? 
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Quote:What it implies is that Iraq is part of the war on terror, along with 9/ll, not that there is any belief that any such direct connection existed between the two.
Originally posted by SignyM:
The Resolution on Iraq said :" Whereas Congress has taken steps to pursue vigorously the war on terrorism ... requested by the President to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations." Since this is part of the resolution on Iraq it seems to me that including 9-11 in this statement implies that Iraq was part of the 9-11 attack.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Rap,
I have to ask. Who are you channeling?
In the other thread you didn't believe that Rats had committed a 3million ballot voter fraud, or spied on and kept records of 10% of US phone calls. Those were big BIG stories when they came out. How did you miss them? You've maintained the US economy and peons are doing great (that's all but a few hundred of us); that global warming isn't happening; that Iraq is going super ... And in this thread you quoted, at length, documentation you didn't seem to read but which someone apparently told you was 'the answer' to the question.
Not to be insulting or anything, but how can you possibly be sincere about the unmitigated load you keep dumping?
Are you not sincere and just jerking everyone around, or are you sincere but completely misguided? And how did you get to be that way?
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Originally posted by SignyM:
The Resolution on Iraq said :" Whereas Congress has taken steps to pursue vigorously the war on terrorism ... requested by the President to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations." Since this is part of the resolution on Iraq it seems to me that including 9-11 in this statement implies that Iraq was part of the 9-11 attack.
Perhaps you should ask the Senators and Congressmen who drafted and voted for this resolution these questions. As Auraptor tried to point out, this was a congressional resolution, not a white house policy statement. Since Sen. Clinton, Sen. Biden, Sen. Daschle, Sen. Edwards, Sen. Kerry, and Sen. Reid all voted for the resolution and are hardly Bush supporters, I think we can conclude that the resolution made no such implication.
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"Since Sen. Clinton, Sen. Biden, Sen. Daschle, Sen. Edwards, Sen. Kerry, and Sen. Reid all voted for the resolution and are hardly Bush supporters, I think we can conclude that the resolution made no such implication."
Since the tea is hot, I think we can conclude the kitty is brown.
Since the earth is round, I think we can conclude the wash is dry.
You get the idea.
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Rue:
Since all of these senators have correctly stated on the record in one form or another that 9/11 and Iraq were not linked, can you tell me why they would vote for a resolution that supposedly implies the exact opposite?
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If you'll pardon my sayin so, those folks ain't the sharpest crayons in the box neither, one reason why I dun want them in charge no more than the morons we currently have.
Go look up Ron Pauls vote.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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