No, THIS is what going crazy must feel like.
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Wednesday, August 26, 2026 18:21
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...and it's us we need to worry about with our shattered economy and crumbling infrastructure
Umm, what dimension are YOU living in ? Shattered economy ? Save for a few spots in the midwest, most of the country is having to deal w/ a roaring economy. So much so that 15+ MILLION illegals have made their way HERE to work.
Go figure.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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illegals pouring into the country is not exactly an accurate barrometer for economic success.. rather its the 'canary in the coal mine'; the only reason America is seeing gain is because the corporations have leveraged our economy with the third world, to take advantage of the ripe for the pickin global slave labor available. if it appears as though our economy is 'roaring'.. thats because AMericans have to work 2 jobs to survive, so naturally un-employment is low, and corporations bottom lines are exploding, via the trade agreements which favor the expanding global socialist model of state sponsored indentured servitude.
if you examine the dollar carefully, you will notice that it 'floats' relative to other currencies because its backed by practically NOTHING but the faith of the American people. ive quoted numerous times before, but it was well known among our early founders that this type of system is criminal, and will single handedly do more damage to America then "standing armies". IMO, America will never be secure until we abolish the Federal Reserve and its fractional reserve banking system, and remove the private interests who currently control our political system through our monetary policies. just as a little tidbit of historical info.. every empire in history which has gone off the gold standard(especially in war time) eventually collapsed... because essentially fiat money is pumped into the economy, valueless, and circulates and decays the system from within. this 'trust' in the dollar will eventually become grounded in reality, and probably revealed for being the greatest robbery and scam ever perpetrated on the citizens of the US
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Oh, sure. And then be blamed for leaving Iraq in a revisiting of The Killing Fields, like we saw in Cambodia, circa 1970's. Do you REALLY want that to happen again for humanity?
No. On the other hand we aren't stopping the death squads from doing their work by being there - on the contrary we put into power and are propping up the government that condones and shields them.
David
"Not completely as well as the series of Firefly..." - From a review of Serenity at amazon.de
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Save for a few spots in the midwest, most of the country is having to deal w/ a roaring economy.
Oh yeah, and that housing market is just BOOMING, isn't it ?
Put the Kool-Aid down and look at the world around you for once.
We got roads around here that are impassible cause there ain't no money to fix em, our tech infrastructure in my area is based on ONE analog trunk leftover from Ma Bell that maybe works ok 60% of the time, which no one can fix or replace cause it's too expensive to dig it up where it is, main street is starting to look like beirut what with all the businesses closing, we've lost the towns only gas station, the pool hall closed up shop about two months ago, and now more than 30% of the remaining businesses are on the very verge of collapse because no one has any money to spend on anything but the very barest of necessities and no time to spend at leisure anyhow working two and three jobs to pay the bills after the government rapes their income for it's own use...
Not to mention the extreme lack of job security what with the auto-industy outsourcing everydamnthing and on top of it "spinning off" front companies to hang those pension obligations on, which conveniently 'collapse' into 'bankruptcy' and default, thus freeing them from said obligations and in turn get reabsorbed by the main company in the first place, less those pesky promised pensions, of course...
Not to mention said industry falling on it's face thanks to the complete IDIOCY of trying to sell cars nobody wants at prices nobody can afford.
I'm hangin on by my fingernails my own damned self, trying to drive a cab what with falsely inflated gas prices and oil companies raking in record profits while screaming about how poor they are and how bad they need my tax dollar to subsidize them - and they get it in all three damn directions, from my income, and at the pump they score a goddamned double cause they get a kickback cut of that gas tax as a freakin subsidy AND they rape me on the price, and then more from my income to support their decried poverty ?
While they rake in record profits ?
And it's not like I can sell and split, cause the housing market is completely tanked cause nobody can hardly afford to pay the mortgage, much LESS buy a new home.
And that's in a fairly well-off district, try goin downtown in Detroit or Flint, and try to tell me about that economy, moron.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Quote:Umm....yeah, as a matter of fact, it has been. How many straight quarters of positive growth has the US economy experienced ?
Oh yeah, and that housing market is just BOOMING, isn't it ?
Quote:Sounds like your local leaders have screwed you. Leave. I'd say come down South, where the economy is booming and life is great, but I can do w/ out your sour attitude.
We got roads around here that are impassible cause there ain't no money to fix em, our tech infrastructure in my area is based on ONE analog trunk leftover from Ma Bell that maybe works ok 60% of the time, which no one can fix or replace cause it's too expensive to dig it up where it is, main street is starting to look like beirut what with all the businesses closing, we've lost the towns only gas station, the pool hall closed up shop about two months ago, and now more than 30% of the remaining businesses are on the very verge of collapse because no one has any money to spend on anything but the very barest of necessities and no time to spend at leisure anyhow working two and three jobs to pay the bills after the government rapes their income for it's own use...
Quote:Falsely inflated gas prices, eh? Blame your state for that. Sounds like sales taxes are killing your industry ( btw - gas here is $1.92 for reg unleaded ) Do you know the difference between Profit and Profit margin ? Oil companies are doing us a favor, believe it or not.
I'm hangin on by my fingernails my own damned self, trying to drive a cab what with falsely inflated gas prices and oil companies raking in record profits while screaming about how poor they are and how bad they need my tax dollar to subsidize them - and they get it in all three damn directions, from my income, and at the pump they score a goddamned double cause they get a kickback cut of that gas tax as a freakin subsidy AND they rape me on the price, and then more from my income to support their decried poverty ?
While they rake in record profits ?
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And it's not like I can sell and split, cause the housing market is completely tanked cause nobody can hardly afford to pay the mortgage, much LESS buy a new home.
You are the product of your own choices. What else can I say ?
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Well, you could start by copping an insanity plea.
Cause either you're completely off your rocker, or you live in bizarro world.
-F
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Quote:I just love when peeps point to numbers posted on a screen or in a newspaper to prove s**t....reality can't be measured by them through simple observation of one's environment, or the environment of others.
Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:Umm....yeah, as a matter of fact, it has been. How many straight quarters of positive growth has the US economy experienced ?
Oh yeah, and that housing market is just BOOMING, isn't it ?
The blue pill Chrisisall
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Well, you could start by copping an insanity plea.
Cause either you're completely off your rocker, or you live in bizarro world.
-F
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
Your penchant for drama and hyperbole is impressive. It's easy for you to dispute the facts when you don't specify about how far back you want to look. The recent history, housing starts were way up, and have since cooled off. As expected. There can't be a continuous boom with out a cooling off period before it starts back up again. But the economy doesn't turn on a dime just over a few weeks or months. W/ respect to the economy under Bush, it's undeniably boomed back after the dot com bust/9-11-01 attacks. Sorry, but you're simply in denial.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Raptor --- If it doesnt involve pink bunny rabbits in tuxedo's playing Mantavani then no, it's not what going crazy feels like.
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Auraptor, I would appreciate direct and on-point answers to my questions and comments. Thanks.
Quote:I'm curious Auraptor. Do you remember what the UN resolution actually said? Specifically, did the UN vote to authorize use of force against Iraq? You may refer to this to refresh your memory. www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2002/SC7564.doc.htm
Auraptor: And where'd that lead us? Well, it lead us exactly where we said it would. War. But now, it seems there's a collective amnesia going on, all across the world. It seems that the REASONS for going to war never changed.
Signy:Auraptor, perhaps the amnesia problem is yours. You seem to be forgetting that UN inspectors were within weeks of declaring Iraq in substantial compliance. That the UN never voted for invasion. That many nations around the world opposed it right from the start. You also seem to be forgetting the Admin's big hoo-ha about smoking guns and mushroom clouds, chemical weapons deployed "east west south north somewhat" of Baghdad, the links between Saddam and 9-11 and all the other... bullshit... that successfully stampeded most people to support the war. And what you REALLY forgot is al Qaida and Osama bin Laden. You've totally taken your eye off the ball.- Signy
Auraptor: It's mere speculation that the UN was going to do anything other than they had been doing. That's pointing out that Iraq had not complied w/ U.N.resolutions, nor was it about to. Actually, the UN DID vote for the use of force as mentioned in the previous resolutions. There was no need for any additional voting on this issue.
Quote:Please read the following transcripts and then tell me that Bush did not directly link al Qaida and Saddam.
The administration made no direct links between Saddam and al Qaeda for 9/11, but it was right to suspect there MIGHT be some cooperation in the future. Anyone who was for the war on that false premise wasn't paying attention.
"We know that Iraq and the al Qaeda terrorist network share a common enemy -- the United States of America. We know that Iraq and al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade. Some al Qaeda leaders who fled Afghanistan went to Iraq. These include one very senior al Qaeda leader who received medical treatment in Baghdad this year, and who has been associated with planning for chemical and biological attacks. We have learned that Iraq has trained al Qaeda members in bomb making, poisons, and deadly gases."
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/07/bush.transcript/
“The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al-Qaeda is because there was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda.”
www.fff.org/freedom/fd0409c.asp
Quote:How many troops are in Afghanistan? How many in Iraq? Why did ObL escape tora Bora?
al Qaeda is still the focus in Afghanistan, as well as in Iraq. No one took their eyes off anything.
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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