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DESKTOPHIPPIE

Friday, January 19, 2007 12:38 PM

*this thread follows American release dates, so there'll be spoilers for posters outside the US*

Just realised we're not discussing it here. Anyone reading it? What are your opinions? Any thoughts on where it's all going?

I'm enjoying it, although some characters seem a bit off in the actual Civil War comics themselves. The inidividual character comics are great - I'm especially enjoying Spider-Man's arc. (The final panel of Amazing Spider-Man 535 was my wallpaper for a while.)

Any other Marvel comic geeks out there?

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BROWNCOAT1

Friday, January 19, 2007 12:42 PM

I have mixed emotions on Marvel's Civil War. My biggest problem w/ the whole thing has been that every single issue has been late. The delays are aggrivating and the excuses for the delays are ridiculous. After all the hype Marvel flooded us with to be late with the books every single time is just an insult.

Some of the characters have acted totally out of the ordinary and there is no real explaination on some of them.

I have really enjoyed the Spider Man arc, but then again I am a long time Spidey fan. I think his development during the Civil War has been the best.

Have you read Casualties of War?

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Friday, January 19, 2007 8:02 PM

Nope, not yet. At least not that I'm aware of. I'm relying on downloads as it's hard to get your hands on the latest comics over here - without spending a fortune anyway!

I know what you mean about characters acting out of character. It's a shame as it's not that difficult to pull off this story - Stark was always very controlling and Mr. Fantastic has always tended to think of science before people.

So far I've read the Civil War comics up to #5, the Front Line comics up to #8 (I think... I'll have to check) The Spider-Man stuff, the X-Men stuff, the Young Avengers and Runaways stuff (loved that one) and some of the other solo comics - still catching up on Wolverine and Punisher.

I'm assuming someone is controlling everything behind the scenes, but I really don't want that to be the case. It lets Stark off the hook completely and it's been done too many times before.

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BROWNCOAT1

Friday, January 19, 2007 8:35 PM

I am hoping that Marvel doesn't take the easy way out and say the events in Civil War were one of their usual excuses for erasing everything from a comic arc:

- evil being controlling one or more heroes, government officials or both

- the events actually took place on one of the myriad other alternate Earths

- it was all a bad dream

- it was a vision of a possible future

I think that Marvel or to lie in the bed they have made with the Civil War arcs. I also don't want to see a plethora of Civil War spin off books. These are always lame and are just a way for them to capitalize further.

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DESKTOPHIPPIE

Friday, January 19, 2007 8:46 PM

Agreed.

I want to see them finish what they started. Which in fairness Marvel themselves have promised - that there will be a clear winner in the war.

I'm dissapointed that the pro-reg side was made so evil so quickly. When the issue first cropped up I found myself leaning very slightly towards registration - which I would never have imagined I'd do. Kids with massive powers need training and advice and guidance, and you really can't have people running around taking the law into their own hands, unless the law resembles something from 1984. The book I mean.

In #5 when the drugged Peter said "I just wanted to do the right thing... did you know my girlfriend died of a broken neck?" I thought *that* was the argument that had been missing the whole time. It also finally made me understand why Peter sided with Iron Man.

But instead of exploring this they immediatly had a meddling government talk about using the heroes to establish tighter control at home and abroad, and the next thing you know all the anti-reg guys who are caught are in the negative zone. It just got too messy too quickly. I really can't understand why any character would support registration at this point. So it irks me when some still do.

And I want consequences. Big ass consequences. Marvel already took a huge leap wiping out most of the mutants - I do *not* want them to wimp out now!

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DESKTOPHIPPIE

Monday, January 22, 2007 11:18 PM

Bumping in case there are any other Marvel geeks out there.

Or DC fans could hijack the thread in the name of Infinate Crisis or Kingdom Come or whatever.

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HELL'S KITTEN

Monday, January 22, 2007 11:59 PM

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Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
In #5 when the drugged Peter said "I just wanted to do the right thing... did you know my girlfriend died of a broken neck?" I thought *that* was the argument that had been missing the whole time. It also finally made me understand why Peter sided with Iron Man.

Heh. Which one? The one he killed originally, or is this a new one? Hee hee... that morbid fact always makes me giggle.

ANYWAYS...!

To get all spoilery, can you (anyone) tell me what the whole CIVIL WAR story-arc is all about? I don't have the time, patience, or motivation to read the issues myself. (Although, the first two issues of Punisher: War Journal by Matt Fraction are excellent.)

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NICODEMUS

Tuesday, January 23, 2007 12:22 AM

Since the only comic(s) I read these days is Cable & Deadpool, my exposure to the Civil War has been somewhat limited, although seeing as how C & DP seems to be an excuse for Marvel to field as many of their characters in one series as possible (ie year one included, but was not limited to SHIELD, the X-Men, the Silver Surfer and many more), the Civil War storyline is pretty much just more of the same.

If viewed from a purely C & DP perspective, the whole Civil War storyline looks like nothing more than an excuse to have Deadpool picking fights with all the big( and not so big) names.

HK - the storyline is fairly simple. After a mutant blows up a school, the US Government gets to implement their mutant registration act (as mentioned in the first X-men film, amongst other places) and the mutant community splits into two sides: those who are willing to register their names and abilities (their poster boy being Spidey, who unmasked on national TV); and those who refuse to register. (Some of) the ones who register get to hunt down those who didn't, thus Deadpool gets an excuse to pick fights and crack jokes.

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Tuesday, January 23, 2007 10:49 PM

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In #5 when the drugged Peter said "I just wanted to do the right thing... did you know my girlfriend died of a broken neck?" I thought *that* was the argument that had been missing the whole time. It also finally made me understand why Peter sided with Iron Man.
Heh. Which one? The one he killed originally, or is this a new one? Hee hee... that morbid fact always makes me giggle.

You get a giggle from Peter accidentally breaking Gwen Stacy's neck when he tried to rescue her with his webbing?

Seriously???

Ninjakitty, you scare me.

But to answer your question, he was referring to Gwen. The blonde one. He's still with Mary Jane. The readhead. Who is alive and healthy. For now.

The Civil War story is pretty much as Nicodemus said. It should be noted that it comes hot on the heels of another event called 'House of M' which lead to most mutants in the Marvelverse losing their powers. Obviously most of the "big name" characters either kept theirs or got them back through various means, and superheroes bitten by radioactive spiders or changed by cosmic rays or exposed to radioactive spills or whatever weren't effected. Just mutants. Anyway, this and a few other things have meant that paranoia was pretty much at breaking point before the explosion. Now it's hit critical.

Loads of info on wikipedia about it all.

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HELL'S KITTEN

Wednesday, January 24, 2007 12:40 AM

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You get a giggle from Peter accidentally breaking Gwen Stacy's neck when he tried to rescue her with his webbing?

Yes... with clarification...

That was written in 1973, and that sort of thing just didn't happen in comics back then. It was shocking and unthinkable to kill off such an important character. It was a big step to take... and the management allowed it.

After that, the story has been rewritten many times, with different outcomes, different victims, all almost in attempt to cover-up or erase that horrible death. That's really what makes me giggle: a group took a bit of courage and did something outside the norm in order to get a good story and meaningful character development (Reminds me of something Joss would do), and the subsequent groups turn into sissies and try to make it like it never happened.

Of course, I could have that all wrong.

Anyways, thank you - and Nicodemus - for explaining. I hadn't even remembered there was the "House of M" event. I just can't keep up with all of that...

Nicodemus - I always loved Deadpool! How is the book with Cable? I was never fond of Cable, so I've neglected to pick it up.

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